What Black Men Think
This is what we have come to. In order to dispel myths, rumors, half-truths, presumptions, misconceptions, and down and dirty lies, a group of black men have taken all of us to task.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISSm41HNQFk&mode=related&search=
In this short public service announcement, African American men of varying ages, hold up simple black and white signs that tell the truth. The facts are far more powerful than the fiction we have been spoon-fed for too long. For example, according to "What Black Men Think" the number of black men who are in college is almost triple the number of black men in jail. “Downlow” brothers do not infect black women with HIV/ AIDS in the high numbers the tawdry headlines would have us believe and yes, black men do graduate from high school-just like most people.
I felt guilty and slightly ashamed that I was shocked at the disparate numbers. I had taken as gospel all the negative things said about black men. How arrogant was I to believe that the men that I love and care about were different than those featured in the usual reports of black men doing wrong. It’s them over there, I thought, those others are the men the press and politicians rant about. How foolish am I not to understand that the finger-pointers are pointing at my dad, brothers, cousins, and friends, condemning all black men with lies, damn lies and statistics? How likely it is that black men believe these things about themselves too? Could it be I, like many others, want to believe the worst? No. The truth is all of us have been pummeled on a daily basis by the righteous television talking heads, our stereotyping friends and neighbors of all races, and in particular the teachers, sociologists, psychologists, and counselors at every level from kindergarten to grad school telling us these same terrible lies. In reality it's the statistics that should never be taken for granted or at the very least we should always consider the source and consider whose agenda. I hope this PSA gets played far and wide. I wonder, however, if it is too late. Has damage that has been done across generations beyond repair and beyond healing? It's one thing for me to believe, on some level, that young black boys are perpetrators or to hold my purse a little tighter as they pass, to give them a half smile, and quickly look away. It's quite another when teachers, policy makers, police officers, wives, neighbors, bankers, and employers believe the same. As an educator, I should know better. I am so very sorry.
Comments
So when will we release the facts that Black women are the major carrier of the HIV virus and they do not make more money than Black men overall?
Posted by: Ed | December 13, 2006 08:40 PM
Good PSA. But wouldn't it have been better if *no* black women died from AIDS contracted by men "on the downlow"?
Posted by: Anonymous | December 13, 2006 09:19 PM
Great post!
Is there a more fitting vehicle through which we might distribute accurate statistics and challenge or verify statistical quotes that flow through our major media outlets than Blackprof.com?
This year, groundbreaking books, such as Ronald Mincy’s (editor) Black Males Left Behind and Al Brophy’s Reparations: Pro and Con, were offered to us along with statistical updates and briefer works, such as the National Urban League’s State of Black America 2006 and Brown University’s Steering Committee on Slavery and Justice’s Slavery and Justice, and in addition to best-selling exoteric works, such as The Covenant and Juan Williams’ Enough. I believe each of abovementioned works was mentioned here at Blackprof.com in 2006. I would not be reading Brophy’s book now, nor would I have read several of the other works, had I not learned of it and them here first. Thanks Blackprof!
I think our diligent scholars do their parts every year. They publish the material just about every scholar, educator, or critic would need in order to stay informed and in order to spread accurate information about Blacks throughout their social and professional networks. And, we all should try to make time for reading their good work. As we all should be ready to check or correct fallacious statistics-based comments about Blacks whenever and wherever they might pop up. Those who would be Black scholars, educators, or critics should embrace this onus—it’s part of the job.
Du Bois wrote: “Nobody ever reads that fat volume on “The Philadelphia Negro,” but they treat it with respect, and that consoles me.” Reading the works and using their good ideas would be the best way to treat them with respect, and the best way to thank our scholars for their arduous and penetrating efforts.
Posted by: E.C. Hopkins | December 13, 2006 10:04 PM
Everytime a white person opens his/her mouth assume he/she is lying. You can take it for granted that he/she is spreading white supremist propaganda to further white supremacy. The fact that Black men and women are sounding off so strong in BlackProf is evidence that we are not falling for their schemes and plans for our destruction. A Black-first ideology is all it takes.
Posted by: Craka Smasha | December 13, 2006 10:43 PM
Ms. McGee,
You can trust these guys if you want. I will trust the scholars, black and white, who study the issue.
At least some of what is in this video is misleading.
This is not helpful.
Posted by: Blk & Proud | December 13, 2006 11:23 PM
I've come to believe that "Craka Smasha" is a white person trying either to bait other white people into responding, or (perhaps) to point up the fact that his nonsense passes largely without comment from Blackprof's black readership.
Of course, a true satirist never winks at his audience, so I suppose I'll never know if I'm right.
Posted by: Anon | December 13, 2006 11:31 PM
I'm all for "dispel[ling] myths, rumors, half-truths, presumptions, misconceptions, and down and dirty lies," but how does this video do that?
Why should I believe these numbers and reject those of, say, the Justice Policy Institute, which reported that in 2000 there were 791,600 black men in jail or prison and 603,032 enrolled in colleges or universities?
Posted by: anon | December 13, 2006 11:52 PM
The PSA has some interesting stats, but I wonder about their sources. No doubt the film will give more details. Who's financing this project and what is their agenda? Anyone can skew numbers to make them fit their goals. Take the prison numbers for example. The total number of Black men incarcerated exceeds the total number of Black men in college. However, if you look at a slice of that population, 18 to 24 year olds, there may be more Black men in that age group in college. If the Black males in that age group who are in the total criminal justice system are included, the numbers will probably change. Even those males who are no longer in the "system" are still affected by their criminal history in areas like employment. Some highly touted statistics are virtually worthless. We often refer to unemployment rates when we should be dealing with labor force participation rates, which count the total number of "eligible" workers, who are not in the workforce. Exactly what point are they trying to make when they say only 2% of the HIV positive Black women were infected by those low-down bastards some people call "down-low" brothers. Are we supposed to say, "those bastards aren't that bad after all." If anyone is trying to balance they media onslaught they need to present facts within the proper context. Otherwise, our already apathetic community is likely to become even more apathetic (if that is possible). People could walk away saying, "the problems of Black males aren't as bad as some of them claim."
Posted by: Makheru | December 14, 2006 01:24 AM
Black Americans: A Statistical Sourcebook (ISBN 0929960416)
This work will ship soon. Its table of contents may be viewed here:
http://www.informationpublications.com/BATOC.PDF
Horton and Smith's Statistical Record of Black America (ISBN 0810392526) is also a great (and weighty) reference work; however, I believe its 1996 4th Edition was its last.
If there is a better statistical reference work in print for Black America I request that someone post information about it in this thread.
Posted by: E.C. Hopkins | December 14, 2006 01:31 AM
The Black Male Appreciation blog is doing its part to help dispel myths and disprove negative stereotypes about Black males from all walks of life. That includes featuring the WBMT PSA from BMA's inception. However, BMA needs more input and feedback from others who are also knowledgable of the positive contributions Black males are making to their families, communities, industries, governments, and every other area of life.
Posted by: Black Male Appreciation | December 14, 2006 08:14 AM
It's amazing that some people want to believe the worst about Black men that they won't even accept facts that dispel their biased beliefs. The HIV statistic is telling. Black women want to remain blameless for their infection and blame it all on "downlow" Black men (because everything bad comes from Black men!). Never mind the fact that IV drug use is a major factor in this epidemic or that these women were willing participants in unsafe casual sex. Haven't we known for over 20 years that this is how HIV is spread? Oh, I forgot, it's just a gay white male disease, so Black women can have all the sex they want. People, get your heads out of the sand! Believing in stereotypes can cost you your life.
Posted by: cmoney | December 14, 2006 08:45 AM
E.C.,
THANKS.
cmoney,
I wonder why some of us tend to dismiss some facts and not others. Perhaps we tend to identify with a certain perspective, perhaps something else.
Sometimes it makes me wonder how I keep from going under...
Posted by: LAS | December 14, 2006 02:30 PM
Makheru, I am not sure but I think it is something like "Covenant With America". And I think Travis Smiley is the engine behind it. I saw another trailor and it looked like it is going to come out in the Spring of 2007.
Here is what I am using to base my guess on. I downloaded the big trailor.
http://whatblackmenthink.com/
Posted by: ken | December 14, 2006 03:20 PM
Good to hear some of these statistics but as people point out, it becomes a battle of statistics and you can't make a convincing case in a PSA. But it will make look for the right statistics which is probably the best goal the PSA could have.
There seems to be a point of tension here: How do you discuss and address the specific set of issues that face black men without seemingly like you are out attacking black men? Should the NYTimes series on the Plight Men be applauded for bringing a spotlight to the issue or criticized for heaping more bad news on the shoulders of Black Men?
Posted by: Poindexter | December 14, 2006 03:24 PM
"I've come to believe that "Craka Smasha" is a white person trying either to bait other white people into responding, or (perhaps) to point up the fact that his nonsense passes largely without comment from Blackprof's black readership."
I think this is fairly likely.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 14, 2006 04:24 PM
"I've come to believe that "Craka Smasha" is a white person trying either to bait other white people into responding, or (perhaps) to point up the fact that his nonsense passes largely without comment from Blackprof's black readership."
I think this is fairly likely.
Posted by: Aaron | December 14, 2006 04:25 PM
There is no substance to these numbers. This will probably be the most elementary solution ever proposed on this blog to raise the good statistics and lower the bad. Lets campaign with the numbers to the individuals they are most pertinent to.
Example: If 600,000 black males between the ages of 18-24 went to prison last year and only 100,000 of the same age group entered college. We should campaign to those in that age group. Kind a like a fund raiser were we raise the awareness of our youth instead of raising money.
If we created something that tracked youth and their ambition against being on the bad list, we could make a big difference. As a matter of fact as I speak I think I will do my due diligence to explore this kind of campaign and not a “make me feel good campaign”. Awareness can be gained only if those that know the numbers push the numbers in a way that promote change and not shame.
White liberals or conservatives pushing these numbers are shameful at worst and annoying at best, but blacks pushing these numbers can be life changing. It just means more when someone who looks like you is concerned about you. Trust me. Get over your selves and campaign with information, make sure your telling the true story. No need or time for a parade.
Either you are a campaigner for change or you are just a statistician keeping track of the destruction, oh what fun. We have more thinkers than doers. I’m tired of professional blacks looking under every rug, crack, and crevice to be offended and to find fault with everything and everyone except in our own communities.
We have learned how to say so much in such eloquence but we have forgotten how to do things in that same eloquence.
We argue about how others view us and should view us. We would rather feel good than roll up our sleeves and work. We constantly make excuses which have little to no basis except to support some idea propped up to cover up mess. It’s not my fault, it’s not my mess. It’s a lot of junk, no it’s little bit. STOP! Will somebody help clean up the mess?
Posted by: Nod for knowledge | December 14, 2006 06:11 PM
I've come to believe that "Craka Smasha" is a white person trying either to bait other white people into responding.
I believe Craka Smasha is sincere.
Posted by: ken | December 14, 2006 06:34 PM
Asante, Ken.
Regarding the HIV discussion on Black women, I do not understand the objective of the PSA. The issue is self-destructive behavior. By saying only 2% of the infections come from one segment and 50% come from another, are they trying to diminish the impact of the 2%.
We could slice and dice every self-destructive behavior in our community. How many of our cocaine addicts use crack, and how many use powder? What would be the point? The IV drug users infecting Black females are still Black males. And most of the infected Black women who have come forward have accepted total responsibility for their decisions to have unprotected sex.
I can understand the points being made regarding college versus prison (even if I disagree with they way the numbers are presented) and I can understand the point regarding high school graduation. The HIV segment seems to have an ulterior motive, and some people obviously see it as an opportunity to condemn Black women.
Posted by: Makheru | December 14, 2006 09:55 PM
The issue is not about condemning Black women, it is about not using false facts about Black men to explain away one's own irresponsibility. People listen to bogus stats that claim that there are more Black men in prison than in college or that all Black women with HIV got it from heterosexual sex with a Black man on the down low and just accept that as true. Most Black men are not in jail, are not on the down low, go to work everyday, have no interest in White women, do not rap or play ball, are less likely to use drugs, smoke or drink than the average suburban White teenager, do not carry guns, and would really like to just be accepted like anyone else in society. The mere fact that these obvious facts about Black men have to be argued in the first place demonstrates the dire need for the PSA discussed above. I applaud the authors for their effort.
Posted by: cmoney | December 14, 2006 10:59 PM
Makheru,
I am not sure if you were addressing me talking about the AIDS issue but I didn't have a thought one way or the other, I was just letting you know what I knew about who is maybe sponsoring or developing this. Cause I thought you were curious.
Posted by: ken | December 15, 2006 12:24 AM
Ken, I appreciate your info. No, the HIV comments were directed at these folks who seem to be a tad uptight regarding this down-low issue. I'm simply saying that I do not see the logic behind that segment. If the objective of the PSA is to present countervailing facts to the negative images/propaganda/stereotypes which rain down on Afrikan American men from the corporate media, then the HIV segment defeats that purpose. Why? Because that segment simply shifts the focus on those who are spreading HIV to Black women from one group of Black males to another. That fact does nothing for the image of Black males in general. It simply lessens the blame for one group. And will this fact have any impact on self-destructive behavior. That's doubtful. The modus operandi for both groups is deceit.
Posted by: Makheru | December 15, 2006 02:03 AM
about HIV in the black community.
look at us.
our sex lives are a MESS!!!
an absolute mess.
our sexual morals are a MESS an absolute mess.
i used to work for the local welfare office. TOO MANY BLACK BABIES HAVE TO START LIFE OUT WITH AN UNWED MAMA WITH LITTLE MEANS OF SUPPORT, AT THE WELFARE OFFICE!!! now, i remember, watching the women come in year after year, we have multiple babies by multiple baby-daddy's = unprotected sex in unstable, non-committed immoral relationships.
me included, having had two babies by two different fathers.
i used to think about the relation of sexually transmitted diseases, in relation to how black folk do their thang. how we manage our sexual urges.
i also used to work in clubs, in the 'hood. i used to work at a Post, that's a veterans club, and a popular neighborhood bar, at the time, called the Player's Choice. i was a cocktail waitress. i would watch "the game" being played out, thursday, friday and saturday nights, the "who goes home with who" game.
one night, some ladies came in, early and posted a picture of a brother, well known at the club. he was a ladies man. this guy, he didn't have a problem buying drinks, and buying chicken wings and dancing all night. he usually got a lady to go home with him, or vice-versa.
"if only for one night".
that early evening there was a picture they posted up of this man, and the statement on the flier, notified that this man was an HIV/AIDS carrier and had infected numerous women that frequented that club.
wow.
i beg of you, go to the local STD clinic and take a look around. look at US and what our out-of-control sex lives are REAPING.
look at our sexing habits. look at our illegitimate relationships. look at the values we are living out, and this?
i speak as a heterosexual woman, i'm not even tossing in the "down-low" issue. is it a matter of men do not care where they get sexual relief? long as they don't get caught doin' it? and it could be a female prostitution situation, or? catchin' a lil' bit, from a lonely woman at a club, "if only for one night". and us women? do WE HAVE TO LEAD OUT, WITH OUR DRAWERS ON THE FLOOR? WHY WE GOTTA BE 'HO'S?
we don't consider it as such, but? truth be told, you SAY you want hubby, etc. but have multiple sex partners and multiple babies by multiple men, over and over. that is whorish, and i'm speaking on MY OWN FORMER CONDUCT. period.
and forget "serial monagamy". that is no guarantee of healthy relationship, healthy sex organs... i just don't know about us. we been set up for this, and we cannot get our personal behavior together. till something bad happens, and that don't slow us down, some folk with HIV become "superfreaks". and sharin' the luv with whosoever will show up at the motel.
this is truth.
we need to look at our moral condition, on an individual basis.
and truly understand, when you lay yourself down to have sex, you are laying with that persons ALL THEIR PREVIOUS SEX PARTNERS AND EVEN IF YOU ARE CONDOMIZED, all the spiritual presences in their body, all the spiritual residue.
wow.
something to think about.
only God can change us.
i want to live. so I allow God to change me, in the Name of Jesus Christ.
Posted by: SAINTLOUIS63 | December 15, 2006 12:47 PM
Thanks for Information.
When the wrong information gets in the wrong hands we are allowing non-thinking people to think this is TRUTH. We are sending a very depressing message throughout our communities and filling the minds of our women and children to believe those statistic are totally true, which can only make some to give up on us. When you have young black women saying words like, "a black man can't do nothing for me"! Hmmm, I wonder where they learned that thinking from, mis-information and wrong data printed in our magazines and listened on our televisions? Wow, we are so gullible and I am sick and tired of people not being smart enough to rely on facts. Yes, there are some issues that must me address in our community and we must take some responsiblity in making sure it is taken care of, but to allow poor information to spread, is inexcusable.
The message sent is no hope for the black male. Who's fault is that? Where is that bright message that should be told to the public that can lift the souls of those who are going forward
Being a African American male is not bad. Being ignorant of the fact is.
Posted by: Frank | December 15, 2006 01:55 PM
I can either believe the video I see on YouTube or what I see on the street every day. Most every black kid I see is being raised by their mama or grandmama. No daddy in sight.
I'll believe what I see on the street.
Posted by: Darius | December 16, 2006 12:18 AM
Growing up as a Black male. I agree that the media has spread lies about the Black male race. My friend and I were talking about the HIV/AIDS Pandemic and the black race. Its not just DL men, but its heterosexual women and men as well. What about the drug users as well? Growing up in the south and in the school system, Black males were constantly provoked in the classroom just so the other races could see how "bad we were." But however there are Black males who are out to do the right thing and to make the Black Race succeed.
Posted by: Bradley S. | December 16, 2006 10:09 AM
I will state that I haven't even watched the video because I've been reading posts. What is ironic is that AIDS/ HIV was researched and said that it was initially a gay white man's disease, then a gay man's disease. What I can say is the greatest common factor is it was said to be a 'man's' disease, period. It has never been highly proposed that AIDS is transmitted by women to other women. So when reading posts that seemed to downplay the number of transmissions of this horrific disease by men on the downlow, it was incensing to me to read further that the defense countering the purported low percentage through black men on the downlow was that the women were irresponsible themselves. The ticket here is if a man did not ever contract it in the first place; most likely it would not exist or spread further. Because HIV/ AIDS is such a dreaded disease that nearly always guarantees a woman to contract it when involved with an infected male partner, a woman who becomes infected is blamed solely. This approach makes light of the fact that had the man not had it; she in turn would not have it. It took even further 'time' for a lot of men to STOP saying that a woman got pregnant on her own. Some still say it but unlike HIV/ AIDS~ he can be forced to share in the pain and joys of co-parenting unless he evades. Additionally, I believe there are more babies' fathers than there are babies' mothers. There are more men avoiding responsibility for their children. While I sympathesize with some of these men who are morally inclined, emotionally healthy and refuse to give in to bad statistics; let's face it, you men are in the minority.
Posted by: Anonymous | December 16, 2006 02:57 PM
I will state that I haven't even watched the video because I've been reading posts. What is ironic is that AIDS/ HIV was researched and said that it was initially a gay white man's disease, then a gay man's disease. What I can say is the greatest common factor is it was said to be a 'man's' disease, period. It has never been highly proposed that AIDS is transmitted by women to other women. So when reading posts that seemed to downplay the number of transmissions of this horrific disease by men on the downlow, it was incensing to me to read further that the defense countering the purported low percentage through black men on the downlow was that the women were irresponsible themselves. The ticket here is if a man did not ever contract it in the first place; most likely it would not exist or spread further. Because HIV/ AIDS is such a dreaded disease that nearly always guarantees a woman to contract it when involved with an infected male partner, a woman who becomes infected is blamed solely. This approach makes light of the fact that had the man not had it; she in turn would not have it. It took even further 'time' for a lot of men to STOP saying that a woman got pregnant on her own. Some still say it but unlike HIV/ AIDS~ he can be forced to share in the pain and joys of co-parenting unless he evades. Additionally, I believe there are more babies' fathers than there are babies' mothers. There are more men avoiding responsibility for their children. While I sympathesize with some of these men who are morally inclined, emotionally healthy and refuse to give in to bad statistics; let's face it, you such fearless and heroic black men are in the minority.
Posted by: Neka | December 16, 2006 02:58 PM
Thank you Sister SaintLouis63 for dropping the truth with authority, emotional intensity, and rational thought. Your honest commentary reminded me of the critical need for us to do what Brother Malcolm advised us to do years ago: Wake Up, Clean Up, and Stand Up.
Hotep (Peace)
Posted by: Makheru | December 17, 2006 12:25 PM
Darius
Evidence proves to the contrary of what you are saying.
Posted by: Debbie | December 17, 2006 02:40 PM
One final point on this blog. I think that it is very important to look at trends when dealing with statistics. The info below is from a 2001 study. It validates what the PSA says about Black males aged 18-24. But look at the college vs prison trend since 1980.
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President Vincent Schiraldi admits that there are more college-aged African American men in college than incarcerated. College age is roughly 18 to 24, but the study researched incarcerated men ages 18 to 55 plus. Thus, because it is a larger sample group, the number of men in jail is higher than the number of men in college.
In 2000 there were more than 469,000 African American men ages 18-24 who were enrolled in college, which represents 24.9% of the country's 1,885,000 African American men in that age range, according to the Status Report on Minorities in Higher Education 2001-2002, issued by the Washington, D.C.-based American Council on Education.
Black men have experienced a startling reversal of fortunes in the span of one generation. In 1980 African American men enrolled in higher education outnumbered those incarcerated by a quarter million. In 2000, black men behind bars exceeded those on campus by 188,000.
U.S. Department of Justice statistics from 2001 indicate that 179,500 black men ages 18-24 are in prison and jail. Therefore, in the 18-24 age group, the college/imprisoned ratio for black males is 2.6 to one.
For their white male counterparts, the ratio is 28 to one. In 2000 there were 3,522,392 white men ages 18-24 enrolled in college, which represents 32.8% of that age group, while 125,700 were in prison in 2001.
Posted by: Makheru | December 18, 2006 07:34 PM
Black men are fools.
Posted by: Merrick | December 19, 2006 05:12 PM
Ed, when will black men stop using these bogus stats to put black women's hard work down and to gain sympathy?
Ed, when will black men stop abusing the Willie Lynch letter to justify their poor choices in life?
Ed, when will black men take a stand against the rapes and molestations that occur in the black community?
Ed, when will black men be fathers?
Ed, when will black men stop worshipping 50 Cent and Nas?
Ed, what were your motives behind stating that "black women are the major carriers of the HIV virus?"
Oh that's right. Black men will not do any of those things because they are cowards, weak, vile and disgusting.
I am sick of hearing about "the struggle of the black man in America."
Black men are over protected, over rated and a burden.
Black men are the weakest and most cowardly men on the face of the earth.
You deserve nothing.
Posted by: Merrick | December 19, 2006 05:18 PM
I assume Merrick is practicing his competition speech for Emperial white supremist propagandist of the year award. No doubt he will win.
Another fool motivated by white people's effort to destroy the image of Black people and cause in-fighting.
Posted by: Craka Smasha | December 19, 2006 06:19 PM
CS - another person might read Merrick's post as on behalf of black women? other minorities? all people? -- or perhaps maybe he is a black man giving his perspective and opinion on what he may have witnesses and experienced.
Every criticism or point of disagreement is not white supremacist propaganda -- if that was the case, then why would we (all people of all races and genders) even bother to discuss these things?
Posted by: May | December 20, 2006 02:08 AM
Merrick said: "Black men are over protected, over rated and a burden.
Black men are the weakest and most cowardly men on the face of the earth.
You deserve nothing."
May, Merrick is a RACIST. CS is right, this is white supremacist propaganda.
Posted by: Debbie | December 20, 2006 09:01 PM
Merrick:
Ralph Waldo Emerson, my favorite wisdom writer, wrote words that inspired me in the first chapter of his Representative Men, entitled, "Uses of Great Men."
Some of his sage words were brought back to my mind as I read some of your comments. Emerson writes in the twenty-sixth paragraph of the chapter:
"I admire great men of all classes, those who stand for facts, and for thoughts…I applaud the sufficient man, an officer equal to his office...I like a master standing firm on his legs of iron, well-born, rich, handsome, eloquent, loaded with advantages, drawing all men by fascination into tributaries and supporters of his power.”
If you wrote your words out of love for Black men, while I would not find your approach effective, tasteful, graceful, or wise, I would respect it. If you wrote your words out of hate for or anger against Black men, then I would respect your hate or anger as well. I respect your speech.
However, if your words were written from a disposition of hate or anger, your life experiences might have been similar to others who feel as though most or many Black men are coddled, given unearned advantages, or are overrated. And, the possibility that your life experiences have led you to feel as though you have been slighted by Black men or by the resources and efforts spent to help undeserving or deserving Black men (or both) you believe don’t deserve or benefit from such help or affection, led me to think of the above-quoted lines.
I admire, as did Emerson, those who make the most of their lot. Some will amaze us by what they are able to achieve with very little resources. Some will awe us by what they are able to achieve with the help of many unearned advantages, good character, and hard work. And, some might disappoint us by what they are unable to achieve despite great advantages.
So many who hate or are angry are those who wish their talents or their lots made their lives easier for them, or enabled them to fulfill their dreams without heroic effort. And, many who hate or express anger against Black men believe a Black man or Black men kept them from winning a seat with a prestigious school, an opportunity to win a great job or promotion, or some other desired objective. Yet, it has been my experience that Black men don’t often keep hateful or angry men or women from achieving their ambitious goals as much as better men or women do.
These better men or women, who amazed others by what they were able to achieve despite little resources, or awed others by what they were able to achieve with the help of their great advantages, strong characters, and hard work, often cause those who disappointed themselves or others to feel some hate and some anger. But that hate and anger is so often misdirected, and is always unnecessary.
Posted by: E.C. Hopkins | December 21, 2006 10:11 AM
I believe Merrick perspective is that of a self-hating Black female, not a racist White male. I will not dismiss Merrick as I recognize her style of trolling is to provoke discusssion. Some of her questions are valid and fair to respond:
//Ed, what were your motives behind stating that "black women are the major carriers of the HIV virus?"//
I'm stating that Black women worldwide have serious issue when it comes to understanding the risk involve with sexual lifestyles.
Metaphorically, if a water well allow any man to dip his bucket causing the water well to become contanimated, I believe it is the caretaker of the well fault for being the carrier of the contamination to future men and women.
//Ed, when will black men stop using these bogus stats to put black women's hard work down and to gain sympathy?//
This is how I know this is a Black female. See, I see females like this all the time in corporate America. They got some BS corporate position paying $80-$90K a year which is only there to promote an image of diversity (Black+Women) and their ego swell. And what they do with their money beside reinvestment is embarrassing to even mention here. But they got big egos, think they better than brothers and all that stuff, cheesing all up in Ebony and Essence or whatever.
But what happened from 2001 to present is the downfall of the economy forced companies to eliminate the position of these overpaid token females. And now they broke, never had a real hustle or network to maintain that salary and now they just another Black person. And they are mad and bitter.
I say Black men overall are more wealthier than Black women because Black men learned throughout history on how to make money to put food on the table while Black women learned how to take a paycheck and spend it at the mall. Wealth is not salary or income but about how you can make better things happen for yourself everyday and sisters who run around spending $68,000 for an e-class to look successful has nothing on a brother who can scrap parts to revive 63 lincoln continential for under $8,000.
Posted by: Ed | December 22, 2006 10:02 AM
EC Hopkins,
That is the best post I've seen in a long time. I hope Merrick as well as others (including me) appreciate your words and your intention.
Posted by: Ed | December 22, 2006 10:10 AM
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While Merrick's perspective may be that of a self-hating Black female, your's is certainlty one of a self-hating black man.
//This is how I know this is a Black female. See, I see females like this all the time in corporate America. They got some BS corporate position paying $80-$90K a year which is only there to promote an image of diversity (Black+Women) and their ego swell. And what they do with their money beside reinvestment is embarrassing to even mention here. But they got big egos, think they better than brothers and all that stuff, cheesing all up in Ebony and Essence or whatever.//
What do they do with their money? Buy homes for the most part.
//But what happened from 2001 to present is the downfall of the economy forced companies to eliminate the position of these overpaid token females. And now they broke, never had a real hustle or network to maintain that salary and now they just another Black person. And they are mad and bitter.//
"Overpaid token females"? Right as if black females have it easy. what makes you think these women got in with AA?
//I say Black men overall are more wealthier than Black women because Black men learned throughout history on how to make money to put food on the table while Black women learned how to take a paycheck and spend it at the mall. Wealth is not salary or income but about how you can make better things happen for yourself everyday and sisters who run around spending $68,000 for an e-class to look successful has nothing on a brother who can scrap parts to revive 63 lincoln continential for under $8,000.//
I say black men and women are both wealthy. In history, black women were not spending their money in the malls (this luxury was afforded only to white women), they were working hard to put food on the table/ cloth their children. Black women are making better for themselves not spending their money on cars. Please, drop the self hate.
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Posted by: anon | December 23, 2006 08:20 AM
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What are you talking about? See this is what I mean about black men. You personally are fake and an opportunist. You have an article about "What black men think" and the first thing that comes from your mouth is "so when will it be revealed that black women are the main carriers of AIDS." Why? Your goal wasn't to help women take responsibility - it was basically to play on a stereotype of black women "that we hoes" and pass the buck - period. Your goal wasn't the overall health of black people, it was to say - black women are loose and black men should cut them loose.
Black men are poorleaders and black women get suck with everything. We can't get married because black men refuse for one reason or the other. Can't date a college educated black man for one reason or the other. Are supposed to sleep with Pookey who works at the wash and wax because "he is a good man - you are just judging him by the wrong things" supposed to share black men and when something happens - its our fault and black men are no where to be found. No wait - my mistake. They are there to say "dont mess with black women they have AIDS" "she wants a thug" "told you black women are messed up."
You're disgusting. Ed is the type of black man who graduates from a 4-year college and thinks he is exceptional. He may be smart but he will really think he is something because there are not a lot of black men doing what he is doing. He is the type who has an exaggerated value because the rest of his counterparts mess up on a regular basis - so he takes advantage of it. He type that would open a business or whatever and snub black women, talk about how they got too much attitude and whatever and is never honest about he behaves, how he is cruel to black women and how he blatantly will dismiss serious issues concerning black women because they aren't as important as the ones that affect the "black man."
This can easlily be shown on this forum.
How dare you even watch this clip on what black men think. Black men can not play the oppressed black male card and then dog and stereotype black women. This is unacceptable. Black men will fight for themselves only. Black women are only included when it is to their benefit.
Black men are in general, cruel, spoiled, selfish, weak and a burden. Now I have watched many black women defend black men. Defend them when someone criticized black men. Tell the world that black men are oppressed. Put themselves down to protect black men. Protect their sons. Because he was supposed to be the leader. Because he when he took his place - he would make everything right and black men and women would be together. This was a lie. Black women have been used and been dupped.
Ed, I hope you have those stats on your desktop. I am sure you keep them in the back of your mind to calm your jealous rage when you see a black women that you envy. Just make sure you show them to the rest of your idiot brothers. Because I am sick of black men always using the Willie Lynch letter, "racism "of whatever to undermine black women when they wanted the jobs they try to put them down about. People have to work. You call these black women tokens when they are smart and talented. Tell all the bitter, jealous and pathetic black men out there who tell black women how "easy" they have it because they "aren't a threat to the white man" and whatever crap you make up.
Posted by: Merrick | December 25, 2006 05:23 AM
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I received the following email from the creator of "What Black Men Think".
I am the director/producer of the upcoming documentary entitled “What Black Men Think”. I was directed to your commentary and post of our PSA at the blackprof.com blog, and I am sincerely grateful for you initiating (what will be an ongoing and heated) discussion around the premises, assertions, statistics and motivations behind this project.
Two things briefly, as I read through the comments, I was somewhat disturbed to find that MOST respondents seem to miss the meaning behind our message. Without providing a complete dissertation, retort or rebuttal, I can summarize that cmoney’s comments are closet to our intent
"The issue is not about condemning Black women, it is about not using false facts about Black men to explain away one's own irresponsibility. People listen to bogus stats that claim that there are more Black men in prison than in college or that all Black women with HIV got it from heterosexual sex with a Black man on the down low and just accept that as true. Most Black men are not in jail, are not on the down low, go to work everyday, have no interest in White women, do not rap or play ball, are less likely to use drugs, smoke or drink than the average suburban White teenager, do not carry guns, and would really like to just be accepted like anyone else in society. The mere fact that these obvious facts about Black men have to be argued in the first place demonstrates the dire need for the PSA discussed above. I applaud the authors for their effort”
Secondly, thank you for the contributing to disseminating this message as far and as wide as possible. I am providing a link to supporting data to the claims made by the PSA.
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JM
Posted by: Anonymous | December 26, 2006 06:34 PM
I think the best comment was posted by anon on Dec. 23rd. The first thing I want to say is that I love black men. I don't think there is anything better than a strong black man who loves hisself, knows his history, and supports his family. Certain people have been trying forever to destroy the black family and it is so evident in these posts that it is working. Black men stand up for your black women. I never hear men of other races putting their women down but you do it all the time. Why? I know plenty of scandolous women of other races. Do you really think that all white women or asian women or whatever women are perfect. You cannot be that ignorant. The solution to many of our problems is simple. We need to support each other as a race. Black men support and respect your black women. Black women support and respect your black men. And more than anything, respect yourselves. I watch the Latinos in my neighborhood and I see how they support each other and it blows me away. I don't have that kind of support in my family or in my neighborhood. My mother tells me that not long ago Black people did support each other like that. We had to. I don't know what happend because now all I see is a lot blame being tossed around. I am a 24 year old black female and I'm scared for my race. You want to know why i'm scared, just read all of these unbelievable posts.
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Although I still love Black men, I must confess...I am terrified of you all. The HIV/AIDS issue has me terrified. In addition, it seems everytime I meet a black man and try to have a healthy, loving friendship/relationship with one, he usually ends up with a bunch of issues I am not equipped to deal with, or it turns out that he has grossly misrepresented himself, or is just looking to use me financially. Seems every Black man is looking for an "independent woman" or a woman to "help them out" financially...even in the union of marriage. My father told me when I was a girl to RUN from any man who proposes marriage to me, with the idea that my salary will "supplement" our income. He told me if a man cannot a woman, and eventually a family, on his salary, then he is not a good husband material. I am at a point where, although I still admire black men from afar (as far as physical looks are concerned, black men are at the top of the list) I avoid black men. I don't talk to them anymore, don't make eye contact anymore, even when they approach me, because I know they don't have good intentions towards me; I rebuff their advances, but nicely...not trying to get cursed out or beat up. They're looking for a stupid, desperate sista who who wants a black man SO BADLY, that she will supply them with sex on demand, and are trying to nest in HER home, and drive HER car, in lieu of finding his own home, and buying his own car. Black men, although beautiful to look at, are beyond emotionally scarred...they are so full of self hate and loathing, and so full of hate and loathing for the black woman, and so lacking in personal intregity, that they will forever be incapable of being the strong, loving, caring, respectful, trustworthy men black women so desperately need to love and care for them. But I love and care for ME. And the only way I can ensure my physical and emotional well being remain intact, is to not deal with black men, on any level. I'm so sorry it has come to this, but honestly...when I think of the future of black men, if it is anything like the present...they are truly doomed.
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I will admit your words hurt and even discouraged me a bit but I still love you Queen. Be strong...
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Posted by: Pharmacy Times | March 16, 2007 12:10 AM
This thread really makes me sad. Do really think of me as cruel, spoiled, selfish, weak and a burden. That really cut me DEEP. I'm going to college, doing my best to make it. And my Black Men why do we treat our Black princess and Queens like this. No one understands a black man more than a black female, or so I thought. Why are Black Men and Black Women so bitter towards each other? We need to change that, but now matter what, I still got "Unconditional Love" and unshakeable faith in my black females and brothas.
God Bless.
P.S. try reading up on Killuminati. Hopefully that will clear this whole "who gave who this and that" conversation.
Posted by: SHOCKED | March 26, 2007 08:01 PM
Ok, Merrick, you've basically summed up the reason why you see African American males dating other races. To me, it doesn't matter about race. But remember this.. what you say is a reflexion of what you see. That's why.
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