I was hoping it was a South Asian Muslim. I lost some money on that bed. :-(

Is a picture improper?

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04172007/news/regionalnews/evil_rapists_face_regionalnews_murray_weiss__jared_neumark_and_andy_geller.htm

The EEOC has gone further in your hug-a-thug mentality. One may not look at any background feature with a racial disparity. One may not deny a felon a job, nor even ask about felony convictions prior to hiring. One may not look at credit ratings.

Given his good planning skills, I wonder if he had military or terrorist training. He tested the security apparatus with phony bomb threats. He locked the hall doors with chains. He used his weapons effectively.

You, as a lawyer, love and protect pure evil.

Why don't you just start bugging Don Imus or something...

You should be glad that a black man wasn't targeted...of course, they only shoot up convienence stores and beat of 100 year old ladies at ATM's

Griffin:

Black men rarely go on killing rampages because they like it.

Most black murders are not capital offenses unless they are done during a robbery.

The reason is most black murders are not planned, they are not premeditated, they are usually someone dissed someone, slept with someone's woman, stole some money, rip them off for some drugs, etc.

Another way to look at it is all those crime mysteries on 48 hours or COurt TV are usually white people, men and women.

The reason is black folks don't usually sit around for months formulating a plot on how to best murder someone and get some insurance money or flee to another country, make it look like a break in, etc.

If black folks gonna kill someone they typically just do it right then and there. :-)

Unfortunately this country is race conscious and more concern with race than why the perpetrator committed these heinous acts. Race, religion hatred seems to stir every imaginable cause for finger pointing these days. The guy was just a complete lunatic, driven by rage obviously. Crazy people come from every race, religion and society. The simple fact is that innocent people lost there life to extreme rage.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who notice the absurd race mentioning. Who cares what race he is. It's just stupid. It doesn't bring the people back, nor does it help solve the crime in this case. The American media needs to stop the stereotyping of crime based on race and religion. I agree with Paul Butler, this was totally irresponsible of the university to mention race. More effort should be finding out why this happen and how can we prevent this from happening again.

I lost some money on that bed. :-(
Watch them beds DH LOL

This is growing because we rather main and kill than dialogue and heal. If I am not alright no one can be alright. I prefer the men who took their own lives.

How can we blame our children for following the mores of this nation. When we wake our children up, they will have to put an end to this, and that will be the biggest battle of the 21st Century, and for humanity. It feels like the 10th Century. Where is Rumi?

"The American media needs to stop the stereotyping of crime based on race and religion"

Is it a stereotype when one ethnicity, sex, or religion overwealmingly commits certain types of crime or is it called reality?

Is it a stereotype to say that most serial killers (like over 75%) are white males? That is the truth, any criminal profiler will tell you this.

So why is this stereotype bad if it is true. Is it wrong to stereotype when it helps to solve a crime (not in this case obviously) but when looking for a potential suspect if you are right even 60% of the time?

If there was a seriel murder in your city would you want the cops to spend resources following around 75 year old black women as potential suspects?

This guy had some serious military training - he wasn't just some dysfunctional college or high school kid who picked up a gun. Judging from the descriptions of the gunman, his ability to reload, and accuracy, he likely had training equivalent to some of our elite military forces such as the SEALS.

Second - where did he get the guns from?

Gun show?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/usa_crime_shooting_world_dc;_ylt=Aq1F9BnTiKZmg6YK.p8UmUes0NUE

We must end semi-automatics and hand guns. There are so many other weapons the average person can have. Shotguns, Rifles, etc. Learning to shoot or protect one's home is not the issue. If you see a child coming down the street with a shotgun, you know problem.

BT:

"BLACKSBURG, Virginia (CNN) -- Police identified the gunman who killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus before turning the gun on himself as student Cho Seung-Hui, university police Chief Wendell Flinchum said Tuesday.

The 23-year-old South Korean and resident alien lived at the university's Harper Hall, Flinchum said. He was an English major, the chief said.
"

This explains some things.

They are now saying he was Korean, all S.Korean males must do 2 years military service.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

Supremacy, that NY Post article was truely horrifying...what the hell is wrong with people!?!!?!

Back to Virginia Tech: I won't lie, I was curious as hell. I wanted to know who this dude was. I guess I'm evil for that, but it's not like people aren't going to find out eventually. And how does it look when the website of Corriere della Sera (an Italian newspaper) is posting the picture of the cops handcuffing that student that they thought was a possible suspect, before the US media posted the picture? That doesn't seem right to me, I'm sorry.

GUNMAN ID'D AS CHO SEUNG-HUI

on foxnews.com. Definately Korean.

Dragon Horse,

How does this help? Does the race mentioning in this case help solve the crime? What is the benefit telling this to the media and public? Does it bring back the innocent people who lost there life and provide healing or justice to there families? Simple questions, but the true is that race issues will only cause hostility toward other Asian people.

The social climate in America especially today, is that of resentment and racial hatred. This mentality is on a steady raise. This just provides fuel to allow every extreme KKK, Neo-Nazi idiot, racist fanatic to go hunt down Asians and seek retaliation.

The concern should be more of keeping the peace and bring the communities across America together as a nation to morn the lost of love ones. It's the school officials, police, FBI's job to find out the whys, and how to prevent this again. This only stands to insight more hatred and give credence to other racist lunatics to harm or kill. Retaliation is the American way, especially to some rustic, hilly billy in the mountains, looking for an excuse to hate Asians.

I'm more concerned about the the victims. At least one young Black male was killed (the resident assistant). He was a 4.0 scholar, a member of the marching band and had multiple majors. Our community definitely could use more promising young men like Ryan Clark. An Indian professor was also killed as was an Israeli professor. VT historically has had a problem with its lack of diversity (to put it bluntly, it was racist as hell and male dominated). From some of the photos I have seen there are several other people of color who were victimized in these killings. The deaths of all of these people are tragic, but it is a shame that minorities are overrepresented in this tragedy, given VT's historic lack of diversity.

Salim:

As I said "not in this case". There is no benefit other than to satisfy curiosity. That does not mean race, ethnicity, or sex are never relavant to an investigation. That was my point.

It really does not help anything, but once they announce his name.

CHO SEUNG-HUI

is 100% Korean, can't be another ethnicity.

I honestly don't think that stereotypes about Asians are going to shift to them all being homcidal maniacs in the minds of white people due to one incident. Sorry.

Asians are more law abiding than white Americans on average. It is hard to justify a stereotype when reality hardly ever justifies it.

My wife is Asian, neither her or I are worried about some KKK member burning a cross in front of our condo...I think you are very paranoid.

Nana - Thanks but no thanks. This old guy who is old enough to remember the late 50's as a school kid isn't giving up his pistols in a white conservative dominated America.

Push come to shove...

I plan to take some with me instead of being a victim like a Jew in Nazi Germany.

all black people do is complain this was about race when they do not know who a person is they go by description and he just happen to be asian i have no sympathy for anyone just cause they are a minority and got put on the spot like that its a simple description.

plain and simple stop crying allready.

to the last posterwhat your saying is thatbecause of the lack of diversity on VT campus it resulted to this gtfoh you race monger every campus isnt suppose to have black people, shit there are more so called minority people who come from other countries to go to U.S campuses than native blacks ourselves so what does that say?

Dragon Horse,

How does this help? Does the race mentioning in this case help solve the crime? What is the benefit telling this to the media and public? Does it bring back the innocent people who lost there life and provide healing or justice to there families? Simple questions, but the true is that race issues will only cause hostility toward other Asian people.

The social climate in America especially today, is that of resentment and racial hatred. This mentality is on a steady raise. This just provides fuel to allow every extreme KKK, Neo-Nazi idiot, racist fanatic to go hunt down Asians and seek retaliation.

^^^you need a hug racist this racist that go travel and you'll see that U.S racism is nothing compared to those in other countries. kkk arent gonna do shit, neo-nazis arent gonna do shit, you want them too i bet the people who should do anything are american people as a whole this perp was from another country, if you was in korea and done something like this north or south you know what will happen to your ass dont you? that whole country will want to fry your ass.

1. because you are foreign
2. you are not there kind

if this incident causes hostility towards asians then people are ignorant this guy is korean not chinese, not japanese, not indian, so to give hate to people who are not from korea or had nothing to do with the crime themselves says alot.

would you hate meztizo people if they started massively killing blacks in california?

would you hate them if they killed blacks in latin america?

you probably bring up this minority shit most of you always bring up

oh boy there goes the neighborhood...black folks about to lose their mind. :-(

Not paranoid, just concern. I live in Durham, North Carolina and we have had several cross burnings in the months of November and December of 2006. The KKK, Neo-Nazis exist and there ranks are growing. Local news reports in North Carolina indicate this every month.

In January a Middle Eastern kid on the University of Greensboro, NC was beat to almost death just because he was Middle Eastern. A black man was beat, tied to a car and dragged for miles almost killed him because he was dating a white lady. A black man and his family recently in North Carolina were leaving a restaurant with his wife and daughter and he parked his car the wrong way, he was approached by three white undercover officers and they beat the hell out of him without identifying themselves first or making any statements. A Indian guy who was Hindu was beat to hell out of because that thought he was Muslim by three white guys in 2006. No not paranoid, just concern.

salim:

I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for informing me. NEver been to NC but to drive through it. Sound like I don't need to go there either. :-0

Following the Don Imus "crisis" - this was the first respose of a poster over at AOL on the VT shootings:

"6. is it o.k. for a black man to do the killings or a white man,the black man will get off becouse he said he was treated badly by some white people,he just have to call al shorpton and jesse jackson and the naacp,and other black groups then he will walk a free man,but if it was a white man there will still be no justis,all he will get is a hotal with bars at taxpayers cost.

white at 5:04PM on Apr 16th 2007"

Anyone still believe there aren't some sick weenies in this country?

"This article from the Chicago Sun-Times reports that he was a graduate student from China."

Normally I think reporting the race of criminals is improper, unless it is relevant to the story (if for example a dangerous person is at large and knowing the race might be helpful in identifying him or her, or if there is some race-based angle to the crime)." Bulter

Not only was it improper and irreverent to report the offender’s race, the media (Chicago Sun-Times) had it wrong. The offender is named Cho Hui Seung and is of Korean background.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=3048108

Now that we know his correct ethnic background, I wonder does this information serve to help us understand the tragedy of this crime any more? What can be inferred from this knowledge?

Already I can see if the suspect had been black, many people would have been quick to blame hip hop or the so-called “black” culture for this deviant behavior.

Now that it's known that he's Korean what can be said? ...that it was martial arts, particularly the popular Korean taekwondo, that caused this individual to loose his mind? (I know this makes no sense, but be prepared for many to make illogical arguments.)

Looks like there is a race angle.
Korean dude got mad some girl he was crushing on or his ex was with a black dude...that is some speculation:

They have pictures.

http://www.occidentalism.org/?p=593

cabrirhr: Learn how to read you idiot. I didn't say that this tragedy was because of a lack of diversity. And yes, a state school in a state with a substantial number of African-Americans SHOULD have more African-Americans. VT to this day has less than 5% African-Americans and is 59% male. VT and Blacksburg has historically been hostile to minorities. I know of minorities who left VT with full scholarships because of the hostile race environment there in the 80's, so dont come to me with that race monger shit. The race mongers are the bigots at VT who think that they have no duty to educate the minority residents of Virginia. Learn how to read and get your damn facts together before you come at me with that crap, you racist POS.

It is relevant in this particular case, for a couple of reasons:

1. There were reports from witnesses at the dorm that said the shooter was white, but witnesses at the engineering building were identifying the shooter as asian. As his race went to identifying the shooter(s) it was (and is) relevant.

2. He was not a U.S. Citizen. You can't exactly say the shooter was a resident alien and not mention his nationality, which is closely tied to race, especially in Asian countries, now can you?

They shut down the schools here in my Northern Virginia county yesterday. In no small part because nearly 1/3 of all Va Tech students come from Northern Virginia. My kid's High School sends about 50 kids a year to Va Tech, and 70 up Rt 81 to UVa of the class of 350-400. Like other State schools around the country - the kids already at Tech or UVa form a support group for entering freshman from their old High School.

Talked to a couple of my kid's friends yesterday. They are very shaken up, and fearful that someone they know may be on the list of the dead or injured. For my little one headed off to college in September, it brought home that even on a campus - evil can come and pay a visit.This tragedy has stolen two very valuable commodoties from these kids - thier innocence, and the invincibility of youth.

I compare this to the kids in the inner city, who often know - sometimes very personally - the victims of violence.

One would hope that if anything comes out of this - it will be the shattering of the American culture of denial and a discarding of the pyuchopathic racial blame game, and it's pimps, which buttresses the belief...

It can't happen here.

His race was only relevant if the police had issued a lookout for a gunman of a particular description. Since the VT police failed to do that in a timely manner, his race was irrelevant to the community at the time of the killings. It turns out that the killer was born in Korea but was raised in Centerville, VA (a D.C. suburb) since childhood. He was essentially an American, which might explain his resorting to gun violence. A few years back, a Black law student killed the dean of the Appalachian School of Law and a few other students after he was dismissed from the school. We all know about Columbine. Crazed mad men with guns come in all colors.

From reading it looks like a black dude-Korean dude-Jewish girl love triangle.

Korean dude flipped and killed them.

If the Korean dude made any anti-black remarks...this will be a TV movie...America loves race/murder more than anything else...

According to AP -

"A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho was carrying a backpack that contained receipts for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol."

Which raises the question - if the kid was a foreign national, how did he pass the Virginia background check to buy a gun? Much less two guns...

BT:

CNN said he was a resident alien, AKA Green Card Holder...who had lived here since 1992. Can't Green Card Holders buy fire arms legally?

"In general, non-immigrant aliens are forbidden to possess any firearms or ammunition. But there is a big exception for a legal alien who:

...is in possession of a hunting license or permit lawfully issued in the United States

(See Title 18, USC Chapter 44, Section 922, part (y)(2) for details.)

Green-card holders and immigrant aliens who do not yet have their green card are both okay under federal law, although many people (including gun dealers, law enforcement officers, etc.) are not aware of the distinction or the hunting license exception, and erroneously think that either you have a green card, or you can't have guns.

Also, non-citizen cannot purchase a firearm from a federally licensed firerams dealer unless they have been a resident of their state for 90 days. So, no, tourists on short visits cannot walk into guns stores to get "protection" during their trip. Sorry. (I've been asked that multiple times.) "

"Virginia:
Concealed handgun licenses will be issued to green-card holders, not other aliens. See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308, which says:
The following persons shall be deemed disqualified from obtaining a permit:

An alien other than an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence in the United States.

Licenses held by non-green-card-holder aliens from a state recognized by Virginia is a loaded question. On one hand, if a state's permits has been deemed as recognized by Virginia authorities, it should be okay. On the other hand, if the other state issues to non-green-card-holder aliens, by the strict letter of the law, perhaps that state should not have been recognized in the first place. Be discreet, I'd say; I'd rather not see Virginia stop recognizing other state permits over this.

Possessing "assault weapons" by a non-green-card-holder alien is a felony. See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308.2:01 for details.

Without defining what it means, Virginia law prohibits all firearms possesion by a non-citizen "who is not lawfully present in the United States". See Code of Virginia Section 18.2-308.2:01.

Looks like it is legal for him to buy guns.

The I'm glad it wasn't one of us. and the let's send them all back to where they came from.

Credo:

You sound like you are from Ft. Wayne, KKK capital of the Midwest, I think those folks rubbed off on you a little too much.

Lets put it this way.

If I had a choice in the matter, I would gladly trade 1 million Koreans for 1 million hillbillies in Indiana any day of the week...or one million thugs in the ghettos of America...despite the incident.

On average the track record speaks for itself. Koreans are highly educated, very law abiding on average, and pay a lot of tax money to the government (more than they suck out of it) they are a net positive for society much more than many "native born" citizens.

Educate:

http://www.calstatela.edu/centers/ckaks/census_tables.html

Well, I admit I was interested in the race of the killer while the case was news was unfolding. I thought if he was white he was going to be some sort of crazed guy in his military uniform coming from the woods. If he was Middle Eastern I thought maybe it might be a terrorist attack. I never thought about the guy being or Asian, because I don't remember and incident silmiliar involving Asians.

he killed 32 kids. i think we deserve to know everything about him.

[Unfortunately this country is race conscious and more concern with race than why the perpetrator committed these heinous acts]--Salim

There's no better example of this than the way the national media covered the aftermath of the horrific crimes of Brian Nichols and Terry Ratzmann, which occurred on the same weekend in March 2005. There is no doubt that the killing of public officials and the manhunt for Nichols in Atlanta was more dramatic in the minds of many. Nevertheless, one would have thought that the mass murder committed by Ratzmann would have deserved the same kind of analysis.

I wrote the following on 3/14/05.

If one had been in suspended animation
for the past 3 days and awakened to watch the
news channels between 9 and 11 this evening they would not have known that Terry Ratzmann shot 12 people, including a 10 yr. old girl, killing 8, including himself, at his church in Milwaukee. One would have seen Brian Nichols and his heinous crimes analyzed by
psychologists, crime profilers, reporters, and various others, with questions like, was there anything "dark" in his past which might have suggested this?

Sean Hannity even asked the heroine Ashley Smith, didn't
Nichols say something about "race." Smith replied, that
Nichols said his people have always been
mistreated (paraphrase). Hannity was obviously driving at some kind of "black rage" motive, thus the one Afrikan killed and the other Afrikan critically wounded must be considered "honorary whites" in Hannity’s apartheid mind.

Of course, I was channel surfing and I may have missed a 30 second spot on one of the three channels, CNN, Fox, and MSNBC. Nevertheless, this totally unbalanced coverage is yet another example of the absurdity of the White Supremacy Dynamic and the extremes they will employ to maintain a pristine self-image and a superiority complex.

Makheru

I don't understand why we want to send folks back, when we shaped him. Wake Up Folks
The road doesn't just go out, it comes back. Rome
The Jamaican government begged the US government not send back those crazy street boys trained in the streets of NY. No One listen look at Jamaica.
The Koreans are the closest partners of US Military for years. They were crazy in the Nam besides those Australians. Macho is Macho add the "charm" of a American boyish killers, you grab what you want in the world or you get death from those who hate this culture.
Folks come to school here to eat the brains of the Americans. It ain't got nothing to do with learning for learning sake.
What has been coming back is getting uglier by the day.

Nana - Thanks but no thanks. This old guy who is old enough to remember the late 50's as a school kid isn't giving up his pistols in a white conservative dominated America.

BT - I am for self-defense also. One who is a Combat Vet from Nam. One who fought white boys in the 60's, and a warrior during the movement days.
But we must look at this question of types of weapons and why are they still making them.
I brought weapons from under cover cops before the Black and Latin Gangsters took it over.
So why?
Because we can see this day.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/15/us/15philadelphia.html
I am an advocate of the Warrior traditions but we don't have warriors we have mercenaries and they don't know it. They want our men as guards, correctional officers, army, or prison. The bright ones to teach and keep the mask clean.

So we as men must go back and look carefully at teaching a real warriors tradition for if not O.E.Butler is a Prophet

The gun laws don't make much difference in that part of Virginia, anyway.

I was in one shop some years ago when I saw a father buying for his 10-12 year old son what appeared to be a scaled down replica of a Mark VI British STEN machine gun. It was about 14" long, with what appeared to be a 22 caliber clip holding 40 rounds.

When I asked the store owner about it, his response was ...

"We don't check firearms for automatic functionality.".

Update from Fox News:

"The Chicago Tribune reported that the note included a rambling list of grievances that railed against "rich kids," "debauchery" and "deceitful charlatans" on campus. The paper also reported that Cho died with the words "Ismail Ax" in red ink on the inside of one of his arms.

Quoting an "investigative source," the newspaper said Cho had shown recent signs of violent, aberrant behavior, including setting a fire in a dorm room and allegedly stalking some women, and that he was taking medication for depression. The Tribune also reported that Cho's family runs a dry cleaning business and he has a sister who attended Princeton University. Cho and his family came to the United States in 1992, when he was 8 years old, and he was a legal permanent resident.

Law enforcement officials told ABCNews.com that Cho bought his first gun, a Glock 9mm handgun, on March 13; they say he bought his second weapon, a 22-caliber handgun, within the last week. The serial numbers on both guns had been filed off, sources said.

ABC News also reported that sections of chain similar to those used to lock the main doors at Norris Hall were also found inside a Virginia Tech dorm.

Flinchum said that a "person of interest" who was an acquaintance of the female victim shot at West Ambler Johnston was stopped off campus and detained for questioning. While he was being questioned, the second shooting took place. Flinchum said they are still looking into the possibility that that person helped Cho."

Credo,

After the recent incident involving the Duke Lacrosse player's here in North Carolina, there is the sentiment by some extremist Whites to send every Black person back to Africa. I live in Durham, North Carolina and I here the disgruntle complaints by Whites and how there boys where treated without justice served correctly. Not matter how true it is, it serves for racist Whites to go on the rampage of hatred. I live in the thick of it all here in North Carolina, the good OLE South.

The growing resentment between the White community, the idiot extremist and the Black community is such that they don't want anybody of color around. You have to be careful about making references to sending people back as though you are a White person, unless you are, I have no way of knowing on this blog. Remember that Virginia is in the South and some of those White establishments hate that Black people have the opportunity to go to VT, or any non-White. You'll will exclude Blacks with the mentality of get them out of here, after they becoming disgusted with Blacks.

The quickest thing a White person will say to a disgruntle Black person is “well you can just leave or go back to where you can from.” They really mean, “take your Black ASS back to Africa.” The Civil Rights movement in America was a monumental achieve for equality for all people of color. Let's not forget the struggle that Black people have had to endure, it's only been about 70 years or more that the US Constitution, stated that a Black person was only half a human. Black people have some rights now, but let's not go and treat other's like trash, because there are Asian.

Guns have always been around so what has changed......?
My guess is ANTIDEPRESSANTS
(though I stress it's a hunch - I'm not a scientist and haven't seen much research into this)

Salim has a point.

In the movie, "The Good Shepard"

A dialogue between two characters stuck out to me:

"Joseph Palmi: You know, we Italians have our families and the church, the Irish have the homeland, the Jews their tradition ... What do you guys have?
Edward Wilson: We have the United States of America. The rest of you are just visiting."

The growing resentment between the White community, the idiot extremist and the Black community is such that they don't want anybody of color around.
salim:
Who going to do the N#@#a work? Young white kids LOL
No they going to find ways to put folks in the deep burbs and use them for labor and sex.

First thing this morning, I was rapping about this topic with some Hawaiian and Asian friends. Same rap: "damn! why did he have to be Asian?"
It's the same old song.

But to tell the truth, I don't need Korea to apologize, or the Korean American community to apologize. This kid here had the same serious emotional issues of other school massacre'ers; and if he knew anything, he know that this was the perfect society in which to act them out.

AOL News has obtained a witness account from someone who knew the Va Tech murderer - and ws able to obtain two plays he wrote for a drama class...

Pretty serious psychotic.

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/#comments

you see bells story about taking black folks to outer space is really analogies to:
They are building nice liitle homes in the surburbs and folks going to say - Wow how nice, far from the city.
But no museums, no social services, no public spaces like parks and libraries. Gee poor folks don't need these things. Just a nice little home in the country, work and a chruch - to wait for whomever. Gate communities was a theme of E.O. Butler and the war developed between them - over water, resources, etc.

When conscious folks build a quality connection between country and city, then we will see beauty. If it is by the powers at hand, the above is the objective. Saves money as the States tries to make up for this new round of War Budgets (three at one time) - 1973 was bad, wait and see.

Did you all notice that the press called the shooter, "young man" over and over again? How many Black or Spanish-speaking suspects get called young lady or young man. NONE NONE NONE. We are the "killer", the "shooter", the "murderer", the "rapist", the "suspect", and always we are considered guilty first--period!

and I am POSITIVE that this is not the worst shooting in American history...just the only one documented by the modern press. I just think about Rosewood, et. al.

I feel sorrow for the victims of this tragedy as well as the hundreds of innocent victims that are killed in Iraq everyday.

Although the media choose to have bias on which killings are more important, I choose to differ.

Why is there no mention of PARENT RESPONSIBILITY on this one? Oh wait.....nevermind, the perp wasn't a Black student.

Well, I didn't find out that he was Asian from the Police. I heard that he was Asian from the witnesses that survived. The reporters asked what he looked like, and he was Asian, so they told it.

I'll be honest.
My first wish, ' Oh please don't let him be Black.'

My second wish, ' Oh please REALLY don't let him be an Arab/Muslim.'

"She said she notified authorities about Cho, but said she was told that there would be too many legal hurdles to intervene. She said she asked him to go to counseling, but he never did." So said the worried teacher of the mass murdering, suicidal maniac at Virginia Tech University, the perpetrator of this massacre. If people enjoyed this massacre, they may thank the lawyers on the Supreme Court. In order to generate lawyer jobs, these self-dealing lawyers changed the commitment laws from requiring the showing of necessity for care to proving dangerousness and a diagnosed mental illness. The Virginia Tech University student that massacred 32 people, and killed himself, now meets criteria for involuntary commitment.

http://www.stanford.edu/group/psylawseminar/O'Connor.htm

The gun laws require no change. He could have made a huge bomb instead, and massacred far more people. The lawyer's control of psychiatric care must end by federal statute reversing this mass murdering decision of the lawyers on the Supreme Court, whose sole intent and result has been to further lawyer employment and rent seeking.

Rosewood etc. ... or the Tulsa race riots ...

Troll Boy aka Dragon Horse wrote back on Feb 15 on Frederick Douglas Birthday:
====
This site is just getting stupid.

This is typical of most black sites unfortunately which is disappointing, but this one especially so, because it is run by top notch professors.

(sigh).

Most of the rest of you are so emotional, illogical, and paranoid that every post breaks down into...

"sellout", "tom", "sambo", "sell hating", "why don't you love my brown skin and nappy hair" or some other nonsense that is not condusive to any type of intellectual discussion.

This only shows me that the average poster on this site is either quite young and/or stupid.

I'm out. Have fun with this...I'm going to join Dell Gines on another blog...
====

When a man can't keep his word...you know the rest...

South Korea responded:

"“We are in shock beyond description,” said Cho Byung-je, a ministry official handling North American affairs. “We convey deep condolences to victims, families and the American people.”

The diplomat said there was no known motive for the shootings, and added that South Korea hoped that the tragedy would not “stir up racial prejudice or confrontation.” "

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/20070417-1108-virginiatech-skorea.html

It is very Asian for the head of state to apologize for their citizens bad behavior in other nations...no matter how long they hvae been gone. Japan has done this before as well.

"This only shows me that the average poster on this site is either quite young and/or stupid."

Glad to see you are still being average Ed.

Keep up that stereotype!

LOL

Many of the posts here are nothing short of an affront to the mission of blackprof.com. A few of you need to stop posting here. You cheapen the blog. You know who you are. I suspect your goal is to undermine the conversation here. But I won't meet you at the bottom. I challenge you to shape up or move on out race, color, gender, etc. notwithstanding.

I echo Paul Butler's concern about the focus on the shooter's Asian origin. It served no purpose at the time. I heard on the radio today that the Korean American radio station in New York cautioned Korean Americans not to open their businesses today. Also, many people of Korean descent in Virigina were afraid to leave their homes or send their children to school. I think it's sad that ethnic minorties often feel that an act by one of their group reflects the entire group. Worse yet, the attitudes of the dominant white society cause ethnic minorities to feel that way. I doubt everyday white men worried that others would think them to be homosexual cannibals given Jeffrey Daumer's conduct.

I used to teach high school in a racially diverse area. Sometimes I would talk about my students and specific episodes: the good, the bad and the ugly. Nine times out of ten, the first question anyone would ask me upon hearing the story, was what was the kid? Was he or she Black, White,Indian, Asian or Hispanic? I would intentionally refuse to share the ethno-racial background of the stundent because I thought it immaterial. More importantly, I wanted my friends to see that they were overly concerned with race in some instances. For example, if I said James McNeil received the highest grade on a particular exam and that he always works hard but often falls short on exams to a friend, he or she would ask is black or white? My typical response would be why? What difference does it make? I'm sharing the story of a hardworking student that experienced success. I'm not suggesting that race is irrelevant, but it should not be the single most important factor when discussing typical childhood behavior that is not clearly connected to race or racist conduct.
When we racialize conduct that need not be connected to race, we reinforce racism.

"In politics, the affirmation of diversity in the interests and beliefs of the citizenry, and so political pluralism is one of the most important features of modern democracy."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluralism_%28political_philosophy%29

Lets respect the owners of this site, and do what Prof. Jefferies Requested.

www.blackprof.com/archives/2007/01/a_few_words_on_civility.html
"The large majority of comments uphold this standard, but a small yet meaningful number have recently crossed the line from substantive conversation to ad hominem attack. This not only demeans the individual commentor — the ad hominem, after all, is the last resort of the defeated partisan — but it also demeans the overall quality of our discourse, which hurts the entire Blackprof community."

Why are you dispecting the owners of the site that are so gracious as to allow you this venue to speak.

Ask yourself that and why they allow all these opinions on there site, when they can easily edit or delete things they find objectionable (as does happen from time to time). IF they are paying the bandwidth and have no issue, that should give you a clue as to what they want in THEIR HOUSE.

That's all I have to say about that.

I honestly did not care about the race of the shooter. I was also wondering why the media was making a big deal out of the shooter racial background or ethnicity other than to feed into some stereotype.

On the way home, I turned on a talk radio station and heard this brother talking and talking for 2 minutes, when he was completing his sentence, he instantly start babbling real fast to prevent himself from being cut off by the radio show host. Kept babbling and babbling before getting cut off and the radio show host said some people just want to hear themselves talk and have no disregard for other callers wanting to join the conversation.

Now, read this entire thread and you understand the nature of troll boy.

I second Ricardo. Can we get back on topic. Ed and DH take your mutual obsession somewhere else, like a gay site.

Now the articles are reporting that a black English professor told campus police some time ago that she had concerns about Cho, but they failed to respond. A lot of reports were saying how withdrawn he was. He also left a suicide note complaining about "the world," the cops say, but specifically he was angry with wealthy people. Clearly the young man had severe emotional problems. I wonder if people simply dismissed him all these years as the "nerdy Asian tech student" -- everyone except for the black woman professor of black literature. Studies have repeatedly shown that people of color are undertreated in medicine generally and that severe patterns of nondiagnosis and undertreatment exist in the mental health field.

The Koreans of my acquaintance are mortified. They think that everyone will think badly of them.

Salim said:

"A black man and his family recently in North Carolina were leaving a restaurant with his wife and daughter and he parked his car the wrong way, he was approached by three white undercover officers and they beat the hell out of him without identifying themselves first or making any statements."

I happen to live in NC and know that you are leaving out facts. For example, the black man was not nearly the angel you portray him as (no excuse for the abuse, but just an example of the slant to this website).

Concerning the race of the VT killer: a black man and I were watching the events unfold on TV, and he bet me 50.00 that the killer was white. In general, he is much more race-conscious than me.

In general (not every case), black comedians tend to play on racial stereotypes far more than whites. I think this is because blacks are more conscious of their own race. Yet the author of this article is in denial.

While I agree generally that a focus on the race of the shooter is misplaced here, I can't help but wonder whether race played a role in police conceptions of the initial shooting. On Scarborough Country, the host mentioned that it was first thought that the dorm killings were a murder-suicide. My question: What elements of the situation led them to that conclusion? Was it b/c the victims were a male and female? Was it b/c he was black and she was white? What led to the mistaken conclusion that it was a "domestic situation"?

This is not about race. It is about children who were murdered. Parents who will always suffer and friends who will always remember this Godless experience. This is about a university and town that will struggle to be whole. This is about a young man's parents who will never know what made their son murder 32 peers and wound 17 others. This is about humanity. I mourn and I pray for all of these people.

Orange...it is amazing that the very people who invented the concept of race, white supremacists, and who use it consistently to oppress those they consider of another race, are so quick to point out that race does not matter. You see sir, race only matters when you say it does, right? Since only your opinion matters, as the racially superior one in the room.

White people have the luxury of not recognizing race, because their whiteness is more than an asset. It is the deed to the Promised Land. You don't think about race because you don't have to. Lucky you! But that is only if you are a white person. Are you a white person?

But I forgot to add that the race of the shooter actually means nothing to me...I am just amazed that no-one has called him a terrorist...in these days where everyone is a terrorist.

God Bless the Tech family. This was an incredible loss to the families, the students, the university, the community, the state and the country. Incredible talent and brainpower lost as well. Such a sad, sad day.

Sunshinysmile:

Although it is true white racist invented race this does not mean all whites are racists.

So why would you assume that because Orange thinks race does not matter he is a hypocritical racist?

Also Orange never even said he/she was white.

As a follow-up to what Cmoney said about the lack of diversity at VT and hostility towards minorities, they did not admit their first Black student until the 50s and only in engineering. Many Black students who applied in other majors were denied admission, I knew some of them. And those few that were admitted were were restricted in their access to dorms and other student activities. This link tells some of the stories of what pioneer Blacks had to go through when de-segregating VT.
http://spec.lib.vt.edu/archives/blackhistory/timeline/blackstu.htm

The 1950's was in the middle of segregation/Jim Crow and VA is in the south, is that shocking?