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This month we’re doing an overhaul of blackprof.com to serve you better, and as a result, we’ve invited only one guest. 

Dr. Michael Dorsey is Assistant Professor on Dartmouth College's Faculty of Science. Professor Dorsey's work covers a wide variety of international and domestic environmental policy concerns. In 1996 he began researching the political-economy of biodiversity conservation and management, as well as the development and deployment of biotechnologies. His research also concerns the interplay of environmental regulations and transnational corporations. He teaches courses on the aforementioned areas as well as on the topic of environmental justice and ethics.

Dorsey is also a founding member of and Action for Solidarity Environment and Development (ASEED), and from 1997-2003 he sat on the national board of the U.S. based Sierra Club. In 1997, in Glasgow, Scotland, Dorsey was the recipient of Rotary International’s highest honor, the Paul Harris Medal, for Distinguished Service to Humanity.  All of this, and much more, is on Dr. Dorsey’s entry at Wikipedia.

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WaPo is waxing on Black men in America. Colin is in the house; Obama has got a hat tip--if only in the hagiographical timeline.

The disturbing sub-text is that the male negro is little more than some 21st century schizo-sophisticate. From Mike Flectcher's WaPo perch "black men often feel caught between individual achievements and collective failures, defined more by their images in popular culture than their lived experiences."

In other words supposedly, brotha-man, while superficially poised, calm, and apparently well behaved is quixotically vacilating on the one hand between thug-bling-bling-gangsta-dom and on the other hand apeing bourgeoise sensibilities, living large somewhere between the boardroom and life in what the Dead Prez call the "rock house", i.e., the White House--presumably just like the life led by Harry Belafonte's 'Uncle Colin'. 

(Oh, Come the Day when we kill phallologocentrism! but I digress..)

Where is this neo-USA-Negro? Are there really such schizophrenic-black men in The Americas or even USA? Beyond Flectcher's interviewed friends? How torn between high-life reality and low-life ghosts was that old baller Jordan when he refused to endorse black North Carolinian Harvey Gant over troglodyte racist Jesse Helms in a close contest for the U.S. Senate noting that "Republicans buy shoes too."? (link) Or is this caricature of schizo-Black-man just an artefactual chimera from the mind's eye of a wayward WaPo journeyman-journo? (hear his audio assessment)

Fletcher's piece is all the more unsettling (thus far) as it offers virtually no insight into the institutional basis of who is producing, distributing and repeatedly re-broadcasting negative images of gang-land-black-pimp-or-die modalities that seemingly haunt upwardly mobile, articulate black-gringos.  Last I checked Japanese Sony and German based Bertelsmann have the dime (the dollars, too) and control of the IPRs on every attempt Curtis "50 Cent" Jackson makes enriching Sony-BMG or dying trying. This is regardless of how much Fletcher wants us to presumably believe that "50 Cent [alone] has built his chart-busting, multimedia career on his being shot nine times and left for dead during his days as a drug dealer in Queens."

Today gringos --black and otherwise-- need to be especially weary of recapitulating staid-1960's-generation, race-man tall tales and be equally cautious about overstating the extent of a proverbial out-of-Africa-diaspora sagas. Attention is desperately needed on the long, too often ignored reality, universality and deep historical legacy of global-blackness, beyond Africa proper and in countries where the Black presence is (centuries) long-standing and too often flatly and passionately denied (Argentina stands out in this regard).

To be sure black men --and blacks in general-- are in The Americas, but they are overwhelmingly SOUTH of the United States of America border. Indeed more blacks speak Spanish than English, in The Americas.  (Such reality will ultimately complicate the jingoistic claims of those waxing about the coming black-Latino showdowns in electoral USA.) 

As University of Pittsburgh historian George Reid Andrews reminds us even "by 1990 the estimated 100 million Afro-Latin Americans still outnumbered Afro-North Americans (including those in Canada) by more than three to one and accounted for almost twice as large a proportion of their respective national populations."

To consider blacks (men or women) in the Americas requires at least understanding and engaging people and perspectives from Afro-Mexico, Afro-Honduras (2nd link), Afro-Ecuador (like those of assassinated, Ecuadorian Marxist-Leninist Party elected Congressman and ex-triple-jump champ Jaime Hurtado, pictured above), Afro-Peru, Afro-Chile (also in Spanish), Afro-Argentina and the Afro-/black presence in the 30-odd other nations of The Americas, proper.

Further understanding the true extent of "Blacks-in-America" (male and female) is bolstered again by tying in the many ways Blacks are, have been and will continue to be involved in shaping realities not only in The Americas --from Nunavut to Tierra del Fuego-- but as well as across the pond in the UK, over to Afro-Russia (2nd link) across to Afro-Shanghai down to Afro-Mumbai and back 'round again to Afro-Latin America.

If you read and believe the WaPo you would never know.

In the 21st century-globalized-world, such myopic, sensationalist reporting is unacceptable. Worse it is nothingless than a bold, misleading disservice to readers, as it recycles old tropes and fails to break much needed new, bolder, more prophetic grounds. (The necessity for a more legitimate, global perspective is even more apparent when one remembers that the WaPo is an occasional feeder paper for the International Herald Tribune.)

I was not planning to open my first post in this fashion. But the die is cast.

I told Spencer, maybe I'll tussle with a couple of questions...

 

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    ...So I originally thought I might begin with a couple of questions:

    "Why blackprof.com?" &  "Is it True 'Nigger's are Scared of Revolution' ?"

The first query about this site's name (should it be "blackprof.com" or just "prof.com") pulls on that dilemma faced by Baldwin and his status as an Author or Black-author --inspired by ruminations in his essay: "The Discovery of What It Means to Be an American". 

The second query recalls the Last Poets, and forces some thoughts on who is confused (or not) amongst the lumpen-negro and her/his bourgeois (legal-eagle, or otherwise) counterparts about joining our Latin@ sistahs & brothers on the battle line. 

In'sh'allah, I'll get to the above and more later in this guest month-- and maybe en route raise some other queries about electoralism and racism by probing the liberal's desire to "frame" i.e., frame us; explore eco-racism; ponder my preparation for my journey back to Ecaudor to work on my book at month's end; detail some of the in's and out's of a project I'm working on with Swedish colleagues thinking about the future of environment and development; elaborate what Gore is somewhat silent on: climate (in)justice; and no doubt get into some good back-and-forth here, inter alia.

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Monica Chala

When I arrived in Ecuador in 1996 Monica Chala had just won Miss Ecuador. Before I was done with my research thugs assassinated leftist Congressman Jaime Hurtado.

I'll pick-up this thread and more on blacks in The Americas proper in due course.

Thanks for having me aboard. Stay tuned...

----- EXCERPT: ----- KEYWORDS: ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Planet Mars EMAIL: IP: 169.231.35.80 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 04:58:10 PM Thank you for such a wonderful posting! Did you see the "WaPo" timeline attached to the Overton posting? It COMPLETELY ERASES black history from south of the Mexican border! Apparently the term "America" is appropriated to mean "only the US", when it states that William Tucker was the first recorded black birth in America!!! The miseducation is ASTOUNDING. By the time William Tucker was born there had already been 130 years of black African life in the Americas under Spanish/Portuguese rule. That's how many generations? The United States INHERITED a colonial paradigm from the Spanish, and entrenched it in a distinctly British style. However it was NOT the beginning of blackness in the Americas, nor the beginning of the Atlantic slave trade...That had already been going on for over a hundred years by the time Virginia was established. ...I look forward to your future postings. (-: ps- I think the "Black" in BlackProf is important and needs to stay (for now). See "What is the "Black" in Black Popular Culture" by Stuart Hall for some elaboration on this. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Supremacy Claus EMAIL: supremacyclaus@yahoo.com IP: 71.224.209.202 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 08:04:56 PM In Ecuador defamation, especially of their glorious military, is criminal, with a 3 year prison term. Now, such a stint could really make a book. But freedom of speech is official, right there in their Constitution (Article 23(9)). http://pdba.georgetown.edu/Constitutions/Ecuador/ecuador98.html ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Planet Mars EMAIL: IP: 169.231.35.80 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 08:45:38 PM "Despite the differences in epochs and objectives, the representation of power has remained under the spell of [juridical] monarchy. In political thought and analysis, we still have not cut off the head of the king." -Michel Foucault Cut off the head SC!!! ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Supremacy Claus EMAIL: supremacyclaus@yahoo.com IP: 71.224.209.202 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 09:27:20 PM PM: I just want legislation enabling lawsuits against the lawyer by adverse third parties. I like them too much to have them beheaded. End all immunities, including the 11th Amendment (or at least reverse Hans, for Pete's sakes). They are not the King, speaking the Will of God, anymore. They just think and act as if they were. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: IP: 66.27.84.116 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 12:18:45 AM Welcome to blackprof.com, Mike!
Attention is desperately needed on the long, too often ignored reality, universality and deep historical legacy of global-blackness, beyond Africa proper and in countries where the Black presence is (centuries) long-standing and too often flatly and passionately denied
With self-obsession expressed in horrible prose like this, it looks like you will fit right in! ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Planet Mars EMAIL: IP: 169.231.35.80 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 12:35:30 AM Anonymous: The slow witted tend to dismiss what they don't understand. If you haven't noticed, this is a blog. Not a refereed journal with copious editing phases. We say what's on the top of our minds and that's it. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: IP: 64.222.126.158 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 01:39:36 AM More than happy to have Anonymous pre-edit my posts. Would love to hear what Anonymous thinks about the substance of the post--esp. if its anything substantive. In Ecuador people defame the military daily. In the US I believe its a felony if you say you the president should be killed. PM thanks for the kudos. Would love to read more rxns to the substance of my posts. I hope more will eventually come. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Ed Hopkins EMAIL: IP: 71.33.69.153 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 09:27:47 AM Professor Dorsey: Your argument concerning how Fletcher’s focus on the average U.S. born Black man—looking past most Black men who live in the Americas and the world—limits the utility of his analysis is brilliant and evidence of your formidable intellect. And, I am hopeful Fletcher will henceforth use his stage to judiciously examine and comment on the institutions that design and promulgate the myopic frameworks that effectively manipulate and limit how Black men view themselves and how others view Black men. However, I found the aspects of Fletcher’s article that examined the U.S. born Black man’s psychological challenges and his identity quest useful—despite the fact that he recycled old tropes and kept the focus of his piece narrow. Many U.S. born Black men find breaking free from the manipulative frameworks that are all but implanted into our psyches from birth difficult. Too few succeed. Indeed, many of our U.S. born brothers seem to desire to become the sort of Black men they were told they were likely to become or should become. They fulfill the identity that was designed for them and settle into a niche. Perhaps, this helps them to live a fulfilling life—to succeed at something—even if the social role they fill is degenerative. A learned, cosmopolitan, and independent-thinking U.S. born Black man’s desire to maintain or develop his bond with the brothers who chose or choose to live degenerative lives of another’s design might cause him to feel some angst. This angst might result from his desire to connect with or to relate more effectively to or to help other U.S. born Black men who share his intellectual potential, yet have not realized it due to their lack of leisure or their decisions to use their leisure less for the emendation of their intellects than for other misguided pursuits. It might also result from the ways others view him and his brothers—the boxes in which others put U.S. born Black men. These boxes manipulate so many of us. They affect the ways others measure our merits and achievements and the ways we measure our own merits and achievements. I’m not certain, as I reflect upon Fletcher’s article, your outstanding post, and my thoughts as a learned and cosmopolitan U.S. born Black man that I’m not in some ways similar to the type of pseudo-schizophrenic U.S. born Black men about whom Fletcher writes. So, I admit that I did not find Fletcher’s article as banal as others might have. I certainly feel some of the angst he describes. And, Fletcher’s article did give me a few new things to think about, despite its shortcomings and narrow context. Indeed, I think it and his project should be useful for many Black men, who, perhaps, have not yet acquired the level of erudition that would enable them to find his article futile and who continue to examine their own angst. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Eric EMAIL: IP: 12.47.123.121 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 10:59:27 AM A couple things. First, Michael Fletcher is one of a host of people working on the project. It's a year-long piece, so we have no idea where it will go in subsequent articles. If you think it should cover the broader Americas, let the writers know. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Supremacy Claus EMAIL: supremacyclaus@yahoo.com IP: 71.224.209.202 URL: DATE: 06/05/2006 11:26:06 PM Prof. Dorsey: I commend you on your courage in replying to the peasants speaking toward the balcony in the Comments Section. The lawyers here never reply to the peasants, being too good for that. I did not understand what you said in your blog. It was written in Yale-speak. I no speak the Yale. If you have a word processor, put in the above message, run a readability score. Use shorter words, shorter sentences, until the grade level registers at the 8th grade. Repost. I think you are saying something about one face of a coin, racial identity across national boundaries. You fail to mention the other side. If you tender a coin with that face, the tail side is racism. There is no cutting the coin in half down the side. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: ProfDorsey EMAIL: thecompilers@gmail.com IP: 64.222.126.158 URL: http://dorseynation.blogspot.com DATE: 06/06/2006 04:49:37 AM SC Me no speak the Yale either. u can use dictionario. many smaller words connected there with bigger words. very good book. me suggest u read; it will love u long time. also feel free to post any big words you cannot find. Thanks 4 ur suggestions *** E. Please pass on my link to WaPo folks. I think I will see how more of it plays out. The Sunday piece --was in opinion worse than the Sat. one (at least the online versions). This is still very old school race-man stuff as far as I am concerned. Which does very little to move forward urgent debates regarding race-ethnic relations. I can agree with the idea: "...the harsh realities also obscure what the survey results illuminate so clearly: Black men in America are a diverse group..." but this, claim: "Black men report the same ambitions as most Americans -- for career success, a loving marriage, children, respect. And yet most are harshly critical of other black men, associating the group with irresponsibility and crime." WTF!? And that this is way up (2nd paragraph,i.e., essentially the lead) is so outrageous to not warrant much comment, especially in the face of the full study data, which reveals this is actually MORE of a problem for the non-black-male respondents--as it has always been. I smell Shelbysteelisms... ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: IP: 151.198.71.251 URL: DATE: 06/06/2006 10:02:57 AM The dual nature of the "cosmopolitan, and independent-thinking U.S. born Black man" is one of conflict between economic, social, and cultural capital (Fryer, Roland, An Economic Approach to Cultural Capital. manuscript, Harvard University, 2004.) I live in an urban center rife with the problems that most associate with it. In order to function within this envioronment I must exhibit a reasonable amount of social capital. Social capital is resources based on group membership, relationships, networks of influence and support. I count safety, comfort and convienience as resources that result from this. If I rat out the drug dealers in an area where no one else does, my social capital decreases. My connections with some who exhibit degenerative lifestyles are connected to social capital. This conflicts with my cultural capital. That would be my knowledge, skill, education and any advantages a person has which give them a higher status in society, including high expectations. In my town social capital is valued over cultural capital. The literacy rate in my town is appauling. If I stay in my neighborhood, it will have the effect of stifling my cultural capital in favor of social capital. If I move to the burbs, this may switch (to some degree). In most cases my social capital will be nil.
I believe this is what Flether is talking about when he narrows it to the US born Black man. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Duane Scott EMAIL: IP: 68.166.104.67 URL: DATE: 06/06/2006 10:48:45 AM Professor Dorsey, Excellent commentary on the Washington Post's introductory article on Black Men. Perhaps the most important thing you discuss is Fletcher's reliance on an antiquated duality paradigm to describe the inner thoughts of Black Men. The duality that black people face is well documented beginning with WEB Dubois seminal discussion on dual consciousness. However, in this day and age it is essential to analyze how we are protrayed across the globe and incorporate this understanding into the expectations we have for ourselves. I also have to commend you for quoting Dead Prez especially at a time when everyone else is caught up with quoting Three Six Mafia. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: ProfMKD EMAIL: thecompilers@gmail.com IP: 129.170.225.2 URL: http://dorseynation.blogspot.com DATE: 06/06/2006 11:38:22 AM Anon: I do not know if the operators in the calculus of social-cultural kapital conversion commute. In other words there may not be ready means of kapital exchange. Allow me by way of example: My uncle is in prison. I love the guy still. I write to him. I visit and hang out w/ him when he gets out. (He gets out and goes back.) By no means do I think HE alone is (ir)responsible for his imprisonment. Indeed I blame Ronald Wilson Reagan (aka: Mr. 666 --the # of letters in each of his names). I also blame Dubya's daddy and some of his cronies. And too boot, I blame Dennis Archer, albeit less. I'm not trippin' while visiting him or hanging with him. I also refuse to dump the social nature of his incarceration on him individually. I visited my (other) uncle deep in the hood of Detroit for Memorial Day. His hood is SWARMMED with rock-houses, thugs, schiesters you name it. Am I trippin' up in there, when I pull up? No. Why? Cuz I know some of these folks. I respect them and they respect me. I don't blame them singularly. I do think Mayor Kwame should have some sense slapped into him--if only because he can sit up in the Maxim suite during the bowl; while the public buses no longer get you to John R and Woodward (a block from the Bowl!) cuz Kwame-meister cut 'em off. Poverty is social & individuals play their parts. I do not feel my social or my cultural capital is up or down in either case. Indeed in some white liberal circles, there is a strong argument to make that both forms of my kapital are WAY-up --not only for visiting, but talking and writing about it. Indeed in some more (radical) black circles that kapital is also up; in others down; and others still unchanged. The point: black folks (in particular) have been living multimodal lives forever. Thus Mr Scott: Thank you for recognizing that I am no fan of these simple dualism (phallogocentrisms). Yeah Dubois stepped in early and Tally's corner played its part... but that's not to say these simplified models work or should be re-enshirned on the WaPo cuz Kaiser funded it so. PS - How do we explain grime-master MC Kano activities in London and Hollywood--which he openly connects to brothas in hoods he has never seen? (He says the first place he saw outside of London estates was Hollywood.) ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Vincent EMAIL: IP: 151.198.71.251 URL: DATE: 06/06/2006 12:50:43 PM ProfMKD Sorry for not putting my name on the post. I though I had. Anyway, you have actually illustrated my point. The black neighborhood represents the the one place where the conflict of social/cultural capital exists most. You see the comso black man is more likely to have family/friends (or come into contact with) from the degenerative sphere (I use these terms because they were used in the post). We need to create a means of exchange if there is none. People from other communities have a clearer class distinction. That distinction won't even work in our community. The interesting thing is not everyone understands this. The duality places us in a place where there is mutual resentment between those occupying opposite ends of the social/cultural capital continuum. The perception is the more social capital one has the more "black" you are while, the more cultural capital you have, the better you are.
We are either unwilling or unable to do the things that will really promote change in the system (AKA "the man"). What we can change is how we behave and adapt to what the system yields. This is not to say that the fight cannot be on multiple fronts. If we improve the means of social/cultural exchange, we may begin to show a stronger front. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Supremacy Claus EMAIL: supremacyclaus@yahoo.com IP: 24.229.253.243 URL: DATE: 06/06/2006 06:52:46 PM Prof. Dorsey: Touche. And Laugh of the Day. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Ed Hopkins EMAIL: IP: 67.41.23.33 URL: http://www.maxambit.com DATE: 06/09/2006 12:31:27 PM This morning, I read my June 2006 edition of Black Enterprise (BE) Magazine as I drank my Sweet Unity Farms Coffee. I skimmed most of it. However, I read one piece very closely and was reminded of this blog post and the comments that followed in its thread. Matthew S. Scott authored a piece that, among other things, summarized solutions devised by the BE Board of Economists (see below for list of members) during or after their March 2006 meeting. The article’s title is “Can Young Black Men Be Saved?” The first paragraph begins: “Before David Muhammad graduated from elementary school, he was well on his way to becoming a statistic. Living with his divorced mother in one of the poorer sections of Oakland, California, Muhammad observed his two older brothers succumb to the drug trade.” And, as you might have predicted, this article uses many of the same frameworks and maintains the same narrow focus on U.S. born Black men as does the Fletcher piece. This time, the user of the frameworks and narrow focus is our own BE—one of our most important publications. The BE Board of Economists “concluded that individual initiative and public policy is needed to attack this complex problem.” They “devised eight solutions that should be enacted now” and the following seven were addressed in detail, leaving the reader to wonder a bit about the nature of the eighth. 1. Create a Philanthropic Network 2. Increase Mentoring and Job Shadowing Opportunities 3. Restore Summer Youth Employment Program 4. Actively Campaign for Early Childhood Education and School Reform 5. Attack Public Policies That Have an Adverse Effect on Black Males 6. Collaborate with Other Groups with Common Interests 7. Create a National Black Coalition to Address Black Issues This piece is similar to Fletcher’s WaPo piece in so many ways, and it revisits many of the ideas captured in the popular book of essays, The Covenant. It too focuses quite narrowly on U.S. born Black men. It too recycles old tropes and ideas/solutions we have passed between ourselves for many decades. It too was written for a widely-read publication and would not have been suitable for a scholarly journal. So, does it deserve the same treatment and analysis as some gave to the Fletcher piece? Perhaps, those who weren't pleased with Fletcher’s WaPo piece might spit even more hot fire towards BE for not moving the dialogue further, for being too narrow in scope, and for recycling so many ideas? The BE Board of Economists Andrew F. Brimmer, former member of the Federal Reserve Board and consultancy owner Margaret C. Simms, interim President for the Joint Center for Political Economic Studies Bernard E. Anderson, Whitney M. Young Jr. Professor of Management, The Wharton School Thomas D. Boston, Professor of Economics at Georgia Institute of Technology Marc Morial, President and CEO of the National Urban League Charles A. Sheffield, Founder and Partner of Carthage Capital Group and Chairmen of the 21st Century Foundation Kevin Powell, Hip-Hop historian and Democratic candidate for Congress. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: ringtones free EMAIL: bim2p9f@email.com IP: 125.143.17.9 URL: http://www.ringtones-dir.com DATE: 08/09/2006 04:34:33 AM http://www.ringtones-dir.com/get/ ringtones site. Download ringtones FREE, Best free samsung ringtones, Cingular ringtones and more. From website . ----- PING: TITLE: rv insurance mexico URL: http://rxsafemeds.org/rv-insurance-mexico.htm IP: 83.219.129.118 BLOG NAME: rv insurance mexico DATE: 01/21/2007 03:25:20 PM ----- -------- AUTHOR: soverton TITLE: Being a Black Man STATUS: Publish ALLOW COMMENTS: 0 CONVERT BREAKS: tinymce ALLOW PINGS: 1 PRIMARY CATEGORY: race CATEGORY: gender CATEGORY: race DATE: 06/02/2006 03:04:46 PM ----- BODY:
 

 

The Washington Post is running a series of articles entitled “Being a Black Man” throughout the rest of the year.  The Post writes: 
“Now numbering 18 million, black men often feel caught between individual achievements and collective failures, defined more by their images in popular culture than their lived experiences.  This series will explore what it means to be a black man in today’s society.”

 


Today’s report, which appeared on the front page of the Washington Post today, is entitled “At the Corner of Progress and Peril.”  It is a must read.  There's also an interesting chronology of black men in America, from 1492-2006, here. 

 

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I had tears of joy and of sorrow. the pictures moved me beyond words. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Gabriel EMAIL: gbraun@hotmail.com IP: 68.215.247.135 URL: DATE: 06/03/2006 02:44:00 PM "Just Us" can Tilt the Scales The contrasting success and failure of black men in America is analogized by two sides of a scale. On one side you have increased opportunities due to civil rights and other initiatives of the 60's and 70's. This has created substantial opportunities for those prepared to take advantage. This is not to say that challenges no longer exist for the prepared. On the other side of the scale you have the Hip Hop Culture of the 90's and now. Which has watered down any positives of black culture. Modeling black men to toward self destructive behaviors and attitudes. The ego driven "by any means necessary" Mantra of the Hip Hop culture looks for the perceived shortest and effortless route to the material American dream. This pursuit totally ignores the preparation and hard work preached by previous generations. It would be different if Hip Hop were just music or a style of dress. But to many black young men it defines there attitudes and behaviors towards (themselves, women, community, etc.) I hope the Washington Post series encourages a movement of Black MEN to stand up to tilt the scale in a positive direction by redefining who we are and what we value. And share this model with young black men and boys. If not this modeling and molding will continue to be done by the next hot rap song and accompanying black male caricature. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: dc EMAIL: dccolney@yahoo.com IP: 68.32.164.23 URL: http://n/a DATE: 06/03/2006 06:42:55 PM i'm serving on a grand jury in DC, my days are now filled with murders, drug dealers and robberies from the dozens of indictments we've handed down so far. Every single criminal we've seen so far has been black, and all of the murders have been black men killed by other black men (except for one white man killed by a black). Every young black man we see seems to have a gun or muliple guns. Its absolutely astounding, I can't believe it. This is a major crisis in the black community and I can't say I get the feeling that anything is being done...this problem needs to be addressed from within the community. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: me EMAIL: IP: 63.157.232.206 URL: DATE: 06/03/2006 09:36:36 PM Black men didn't cause these problems. They inherited them from their forefathers who were considered three fifths of a man by those who wrote the constitution. When the powers that be, come to the realization that black men are americans too and the problems they face are america's problems, things will change for the better for black men in this country. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Kurt EMAIL: xxx5896169@yahoo.com IP: 69.251.87.142 URL: DATE: 06/03/2006 10:46:41 PM I strongly disagree with "me" who posted on 6/3/2006 at 9:36PM. The time has long come and passsed when we can look to the forefathers of this country as architects of the ills that currently plague the black man. I don't care if Washington owned slaves, I do care that my neighbors son is 'hanging out' instead of studying. I care little for self esteem progams for black kids in public schools, but I care deeply about the number of black parents who are active in their childs school. In my mind the question is fairly straight forward. Do you take advantage of the opportunities offered to you, or do you complain about past injustices? And I don't give a @#$% if you live in ghettos of Baltimore or Potomac, MD. There are choices to be made every day. The choices you make determine your future, not the music you listen to or the clothes you wear or where you live. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: cmoney EMAIL: corlissadams@yahoo.com IP: 70.108.77.116 URL: DATE: 06/03/2006 11:01:42 PM I had to hold my nose to read the report on Black men published by the Washington Post. The Post is typical of the media that goes out of its way to demonize Black men and then tries to make up for its 100 years of negative propaganda with a series such as this one. Nevertheless, I must say that looking to the wrongs of yesteryear will not solve our problems if we don't apply any lessons learned to our present situation. We can talk about slave masters all day long, but if we don't raise our kids right, set a good example, stop tolerating criminal behavior, stop committing crimes (and that includes buying and using drugs and tolerating those who do), we won't get anywhere. I look to my classmates in high school who had the exact same opportunties that I had and can only conclude that personal behavior led many of them to failure. How do I end up a lawyer and so many of them end up in jail? I can assume that my success was do to my personal choices in life and a good family structure. One thing I do know was not a factor in my success and their failures was some slavemaster. In this century, what we do or donot do matters more than what someone is trying to do to us. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: IP: 63.232.185.243 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 07:11:14 AM How anyone can say slavery and jim crow doesn't matter is beyond me. You treat a race of people less than human for four hundred years, set them free, then place obstacles in their path to retard their growth, and expect for them to achieve parity with people who benefited from this degradation? Are you out of your cotton picking mind? No, looking to the wrongs of yesteryear won't solve our problems, but it will help explain why we have these problems in the first place. Black people do not tolerate crime. They are victimized by criminals more than whites. What they don't tolerate are brutal cops who have a problem distinguishing the good guys from the bad guys. Black people aren't the only ones who committ crimes. Black people aren't the only ones who buy and sell drugs. But you wouldn't know it by watching the evening news. Fyi, everyone can't become lawyers and doctors, it doesn't mean that they aren't decent people. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Carolyn baxter EMAIL: Baxterkng@aol.com IP: 64.12.116.136 URL: http://theworldisaGhetto.blogspot.com DATE: 06/04/2006 11:48:43 AM My main concern First and Formost is the Extinction of the Blackman,by what ever reason,tactic,method be it Social or Institutional,or Governmental The Hunt Is On An BLACKMEN The Prey In the Movie Menace to Society ,when Charles Dutton said to the Main Character, The Hunt Is On and you’re the PREY!' Jabbing his finger about 3 inches from the Brothas face for emphasis. He had his full attention, His Words Haunted me. As It did the Lead Character in The Movie. When he was contemplating getting out of the Hood for good. After Tookie was Executed, My mind did a Survey of how many other Criminals had so called committed Heinous crimes, and are still alive serving time, or just walking the streets. And offered retribution much less than tookie did, if at all. Writers struggle every day, with imagination and laptop in tow. stretching their imagination, well as of Late ,ripping off other writers imagination.. however the case. Never being Nominated for the Nobel Prize. That’s beyond and Honor, or Talent. for that were talking Creative Genius, I thought, a life’s dedication. That Part Tookie Fulfilled in the Most Dramatic of ways that’s for sure. But in the end, his life, the many children’s books, the Movie about him, now just 2 dimensional colorless ,moving images, with ''actors'' saying meaningless words. Rather than a story about a man, a Brave strong man, who did more than a 360 turnaround. Influencing so many. It counted for nothing. The Nobel Prize.Pulitzier Prize, I no longer hold them in esteem. But then for that matter I no longer watch ''Arnies'' 5 Million dollar flicks. They remind me, of the Reality of what, and how he treats people now that he has a little political power. Came here, got noticed, Got ''Buff'',Married into politics, Ran for office, Gee. Who saw'' that coming,?'' ‘’Build up for the American Dream after all he’s the ‘’acceptable '''shade''. So what If he Couldn't speak engilish,and had to keep renewing his ’’ entertainment’’ Visa. I no longer see his Movies as entertaining, nor hold him in esteem as an actor, Even though that is one of the Criteria for being a good Politician(if there is such a thing). So When Yet another Intelligent Brotha, a Rapper PROOF of D12 Was killed execution style with a Cap to the Head, with my 'Wounds'' still open from Tookie .I had to Question as a Black woman what’s happening to my Brothas and why, what about the repercussion to the Family’s he kids? the repercussions ,To vast to measure. Do we see our selves as ''Less'' Value than the ''System’ does? a self love thing? With all the questions, I do know one thing. The only one that is going to correct the Problem, Is ''Us''as.We have no choice but to ''Care'’ , Evolve Quick! Weather its maturity, self love'' Whatever''. The '' Political powers'' are doing a ''Jig’ every time a Brotha gets killed. And let the family's of the Victims be homeless,. Why not. .I imagine their secondary thought. It was that Line again From A Menace to Society'' The Hunt is on and Your the Prey! '' echoed in my head. It threw me into taking an Inventory of How many Black male Rappers have been Slain, From Tupoc to Proof, there were to many to count. Some famous some not. Then I added up how many Blackman, and Hispanic men I knew that have been lost on the Street. Also To many to mention. Except the Hispanic Brothas ,were younger by about 5 or 6 years or so. I didn’t know why or have an answer for that. Some Famous Like Dr. Huey P. Newton some not. Like my friend or Chino leaving 3 kids or my Ex Miguel at 9/11 leaving 5 kids behind. Since I had no answers, Just Political Scenarios, that they were trapped in ,that didn’t benefit their way of life , had control over them in which they have to ''Wriggle'' daily angles to survive. It seemed that If they Hustled a lil Drugs they got it. Sold a few Bootleg ''DVDs'' they got it. If they went and worked everyday, they got it. And sometimes just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That Place wasn’t Sutton place in Manhattan It was 168th.St. and Washington Heights, or ave. D in the Lower Eastside. Since Violence Perpetuates Violence, The Death Penalty is Useless The flipside of the same hand. After Tookie was Killed Asked a few Youngblood’s (stick up kids ) in Harlem, from around the way, what they thought. a bout how he was treated and what’s going on, A Question since ''Marvin Gaye'' asked it. Still Relevant But now alarming. And I wonder will the next '',Million Person’ March ’’ effect it. The outcome of the ’’times’’ or render a solution. They weren’t surprised. And Pointed out the fact that its not an Equal World, that It will Never be,’’ It’s Survival of the Fittest Baby’’ And that If the Penalty is DEATH ,is the mode, ‘’Then Might as well kill everybody in the Whole Joint.’’ And as far as'' Proof'' ‘’thas what his hand called for was the sum, Total of ''Youngins'' view, as they dashed with there Crew into the Night. So I suppose like Violence Perpetuates Violence, No Mercy Perpetuates no Mercy. Hopelessness and feeling one has nothing left to lose, Is a Dangerous Mindset. For Young Brothas there seems to be no escape, and if there is ...their not waiting for it. Capitalism, is at an all time High. Money make more, get more, steal more. Like 50 cent said Get Rich or Die Trying The Race is on and everybody is the Prey. Carolyn Baxter a Recipient of a Natl. Endowment of the arts Grant/member of the Sceen actors Guild author of Prison Solitary and other free Government Services (greenfeild reveiw press)(a Prison Memoir)New Books Assata an the Baby Gansta and Platinum Dream's Lead Reality (a collection Poetry about slain rappers/street hustla's ) both out MAY 29, 06. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: cmoney EMAIL: corlissadams@yahoo.com IP: 151.200.54.144 URL: DATE: 06/04/2006 08:43:15 PM I didn't say slavemasters didn't matter. I said they didn't stop me from achieving nor anyone who went to school with me. Also, I don't need you or the Washington Post to tell me about the Black community. I live in it and I can say with as much authority as you that we DO tolerate crime. We don't push the drug dealers off the corner. We allow our young men to get away with low achievement and thuggish behavior. We even celebrate it. We buy the drugs. We buy stolen goods and support the criminal activities that brought the stolen goods to our door. We assault each other and we destroy each other's property. I have the insurance records to prove it. That's not to say whites and others don't commit crimes too, but I am not concerned with their plight. We need to find out why OUR community puts up with this crap. P.S., I grew up after Jim Crow, Slavery and segregation, as did 100% of these 20 year old thugs out here terrorizing our neighborhoods, so cut the crap about slave masters. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Blkatilla EMAIL: dyncomp@excite.com IP: 66.211.150.200 URL: DATE: 08/20/2006 09:36:01 PM Why are black people so protective of a system that is still mostly white and still mostly racist? Why do we point to education (and it's a good thing to have) as the saviour of the plight? With the exception of the few token blacks benefiting from meager civil rights offerings, the masses of blacks still have doors slammed in their face regularly even with skills, merit and the proper education. The majority of whites in power are not going to be color blind when it comes to selecting black people over their children/race. Despite the rectoric, they aren't going choose the "best qualified" over skin tone. Don't pummmel black people about their reactions to something that is unjust in the first place. Address the injustice, (racism) itself. White people started and maintain racist actions that are still here today. Why isn't any of your attention there? Blacks like you turn on the objects of mistreatment rather than the cause(s) of it. Maybe because to do otherwise would cause the anger of white bosses/clients etc. Blkatilla ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Blkatilla EMAIL: dyncomp@excite.com IP: 66.211.150.200 URL: DATE: 08/20/2006 09:37:14 PM Why are black people so protective of a system that is still mostly white and still mostly racist? Why do we point to education (and it's a good thing to have) as the solution to the plight? With the exception of the few token blacks benefiting from meager civil rights offerings, the masses of blacks still have doors slammed in their face regularly even with skills, merit and the proper education. The majority of whites in power are not going to be color blind when it comes to selecting black people over their children/race. Despite the rectoric, they aren't going choose the "best qualified" over skin tone. Don't pummmel black people about their reactions to something that is unjust in the first place. Address the injustice, (racism) itself. White people started and maintain racist actions that are still here today. Why isn't any of your attention there? Blacks like you turn on the objects of mistreatment rather than the cause(s) of it. 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For those of you who have not seen X-Men  III: The Last Stand, stop reading now. For what I am about to write might ruin it for you. The short of my post here is to explore, via a few questions, what X-Men might suggest about identity and equality today. At the outset, let me clear that this is not an argument that Hollywood does, or should, reflect reality. I am simply interested in thinking about whether there are some continuities between this block-buster film and the way we think about identity--and, more specifically, race and sexual orientation. My questions (to which I will offer my own answers) are these:

  1. Roughly, the mutants are divided into two Malcolm X and Dr. Martin L. King Jr.groups: those who align themselves with the Professor Xavier (played by Patrick Stewart) and those who align themselves with Magneto, a concentration camp survivor (played by Ian McKellen). Magneto is the bad guy, and the Professor is the good guy. Magneto wants to end bigotry against mutants "by any means necessary" (and he explicitly employs this language); violence for him is not only acceptable, it is necessary. Professor Xavier, to the extent possible, avoids violence. He insists that mutants learn to control their power. His project is to integrate mutants into mainstream society.  Are we watching a particular (and not necessarily accurate) representation of the Martin Luther King/Malcolm X dichotomy that pushes us to embrace King and reject Malcolm. (My answer: Not exactly. To be sure, there are themes of integration and assimilation in the film. But there are also themes of resistance and respecting difference; themes against passing. In short, both assimilation and difference figure as tropes in the film. Separatism/nationalism, however, is clearly repudiated).

  2. Mutants are different because of biology--something not of their choosing.  Does the movie Prof. X and Magneto (c) 2003 Twentieth Century Fox invite us to think about race and sexual orientation in the same way? (My answer: Perhaps, at least to some extent. Certainly part of the reason we treat race as an identity that deserves anti-discrimination protection is because we perceive it to be immutable--fixed, not something we choose. And one of the reasons we don't protect sexual orientation is that we perceive it to be an aspect of self that is chosen.  (In a earlier X-Men movie, a mother asks her mutant son, "Have you tried not being mutant?"). Significantly, our anti-discrimination laws are explicitly structured around ideas of mutability.)

  3. One of the mutants, Rogue, absorbs the traits and characteristics of anyone she touches and so is incapable of physical contact. Is this a signification on AIDS? (My answer: Perhaps. Interestingly, among the X-Men, Rogue is the only one who opts to "cure" herself--that is, Archangel (c) 2003 Twentieth Century Fox eliminate her power by taking a vaccine).

  4. Finally, is it too much to read Archangel (the mutant who can fly) as a gay character, a person who was caught in the closet (his father literally pushes in the bathroom door and catches him cutting off his wings to hide the effects of his mutation). Archangel, in a rather dramatic scene, also refuses to "fix" his mutation--refusing, in a way, to go through a kind of conversion therapy. Is he a gay character? (My answer:  It's a plausible reading of him).

Again, I am not suggesting that any of these readings/interpretations were intended by the writers/producers/directors of the film. Again, this is not an argument that we look to Hollywood for reality. This is just an exploration of the intersection of pop culture and social issues.

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Some more thoughts: can we say that the 'cure' may be analogized to the sorts of genetic engineering we see in the near future which can 'produce' children of whatever shade/propensities that their parent's choose? There is a lurking danger here that children of disadvantaged groups (black, etc) will start to disappear, voluntarily or involuntarily. (So will short people like me!) I used to read Bell's Spacetraders with much scepticism. Now I take it a bit more seriously. I wonder what white americans (and some of my white friends) would really do if faced with the choice of getting rid of blacks in some nominally 'benign' way? ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: reedi EMAIL: IP: 68.160.32.5 URL: DATE: 06/01/2006 06:16:24 PM When I saw the movie I was annoyed by the X-men the whole time for taking the side of the humans rather than Magneto and his crew. The whole time I felt like they were "race traitors" lol and Magneto was like Malcolm X. I'm glad to hear other people thinking of this film in terms of US race relations, so I don't feel like I've totally lost it. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: michael EMAIL: michael@yahoo.com IP: 69.107.60.181 URL: http://drinksoakedlawstudents.blogspot.com/ DATE: 06/03/2006 07:17:58 PM "Certainly part of the reason we treat race as an identity that deserves anti-discrimination protection is because we perceive it to be immutable--fixed, not something we choose. And one of the reasons we don't protect sexual orientation is that we perceive it to be an aspect of self that is chosen." I think most people in America perceive sexual orientation as something that is not chosen. Most importantly, pretty much all of the scientific community perceives this too. Additionally, while the federal government has chosen not to add sexual orientation as a protected category under Title VII, that day is soon coming. Many states have already taken that step (see California). As the older generation of gay-haters passes and the younger more tolerant generation takes over the reigns of power, sexual orientation will soon be protected alongside race. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Alex EMAIL: halex8420874@yahoo.com IP: 68.55.14.206 URL: DATE: 06/03/2006 08:23:29 PM I am an ardent X-Men fan, and at the same time I see some clear negative racial themes that have significant for me. I wonder is this because I am a baby boomer and I experienced the civil rights and black power movement or maybe the creators of this franchise are trying to subtly influence the perception of race in this country? Some examples: • Numerous black-faced white “mutants”- where is Amos and Andy when you need them? • An integrated mutant school of overwhelming white mutants • Storm bringing new meaning to what can be considered a “token” role Nuff said ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: dympeec EMAIL: dympeec10@yahoo.com IP: 70.236.36.142 URL: http://dympeec10@sbcglobal.net DATE: 06/06/2006 09:00:27 PM X-menIII is a form of intertainment. It is not use to discriminate no type of human kind(gay, straight, boy, girl). u being to dramatic over the fact that they some different type form of humans. U think too much gte over it. They just tryna make some money.Stop hatin. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: nashawn EMAIL: IP: 198.99.32.5 URL: DATE: 06/07/2006 01:35:55 AM In referenve to the comment made earlier. I can tell just by reading the comment that you did not understand the article and what the author was trying to express. No one is "hatin" on the film,however, just discussing some things noticed no one is bad mouthing the film or saying anything negative. He was just giving incite on some things he questioned in the movie. he even answered his own questions.I think you should read a little more, maybe a dictionary, and then come back and read the article, maybe then you'll have a better comment. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Francesca A. Ortiz EMAIL: IP: 70.18.148.120 URL: http://thenarratedlife.blogspot.com DATE: 06/07/2006 12:05:07 PM Hello! I want to start by saying I've been a fan of the X-men for the past 18 years. I was introduced to them in college by a friend who had been reading and collecting them since comic book writer Chris Claremont took over and changed the original line up of X-Men back in the 70's. Marvel Comics, has always stated that the X-Men comics are about exploring the state of racism and its effects. When Stan Lee created the X-Men back in 1963, he was inspired by the stances pose by MLK Jr. and Malcom X. I do not think it was the intent of Mr. Lee or Marvel Comics to imply that Malcom X is a "bad guy". Instead the focus is on "What would it take to make the 'gene-jokes'(humans) tolerant of 'muties'?" What would be the right path to follow, since both sides of the arguements both make valid points. I'm not certain the character Rogue was ever intended to be a metaphor for AIDS since her character was created in the late 70's before anyone knew or understood the significance of HIV and AIDS. Rogue's lack of control is intended to off-set the power she weilds-- arguably she is the most powerful X-Man if she ever gains control of her powers. :grin: I think the Angel scene is a reference to being gay, but Angel himself-- at least in the comics-- is not gay. I think alot of fans of the comics will be upset if movie makers change this character any more than they have already. 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I wonder what white americans (and some of my white friends) would really do if faced with the choice of getting rid of blacks in some nominally 'benign' way?

I am a white american... and I find that comment very insulting. 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I do not write to provide an analysis of this conundrum.  Instead, I will add another related puzzle to the mix by referencing some related research from criminology.

While criminologists and public policy makers sought to address crime in the nation’s cities by spurring local police departments to get tough on graffiti artists and public drunkard in hopes of cleaning up broken windows so to avert the crime that the public disorder supposedly attracts, sociologists Robert Sampson and Stephen Raudenbush sought to determine exactly how different group perceive disorder in their neighborhoods.  (Seeing Disorder: Neighborhood Stigma and the Social Construction of “Broken Windows”  Abstract can be found here.)

Through an analysis of an elaborate survey of residents in 196 census tracts in Chicago together with videos of the homes and businesses along the streets in the neighborhoods where they had conducted the surveys, Sampson and Raudenbush demonstrated that while people’s perceptions of physical disorder are correlated with the disorder actually on the street (we know this from the videotapes), there are racial differences in the levels of disorder that people perceive. White residents are far more likely to report disorder than Black or Latino residents living in the same neighborhood.  About this finding, Robert Sampson says, “Whites are more sensitive in the first place and consequently are the first to move. In this way, implicit bias in perceptions of disorder may be one of the under-appreciated causes of continued racial segregation in the United States.”

Even more interesting, and here I return to the problem that Professor Hernandez recently blogged about, is that as the percentage of African Americans in a neighborhood increases, members of all groups – including African Americans – perceive more disorder.  Additionally, the researchers detected a notable interaction between Latino ethnicity and percent Black.  To summarize from the Sampson and Raudenbush paper:  


In neighborhoods less than 25 percent black, whites and Latinos essentially do not differ in their perceptions of disorder. At roughly 25 percent black, however, a threshold suggested by prior research as particularly salient, Latinos begin to diverge sharply from whites: when neighborhoods reach 75 percent black or more, Latinos perceive substantially more disorder than do whites.  (Citations
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This research clearly suggests that purely structuralist approaches to addressing urban inequality will not make much headway any time soon.  But what will?
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    On Thursday May 25, 2006, the Greensboro Truth and Reconciliation Commission released their final report.  The report is the culmination of the Commission's work over the course of a year, investigating the 1979 Greensboro Massacre.  On November 3, 1979 anti-Klan activists were shot and killed during a march. Despite the fact that the shootings were videotaped and several Klan members were tried, no one was ever convicted of the murders.   The Greensboro TRC is the first full-fledged TRC in the United States.

   Greensboro's effort is part of a larger effort by activists in communities throughout the South to compel their communities to confront the local history of lynching and racial violence.  Modeled on South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, the efforts undertaken by activists in these communities are in some instances a response to a challenge issued by Archibishop Desmond Tutu, Chair of the South African TRC, during his time as visiting professor at Emory University.  After hearing sustained criticisms of the South African TRC at one public session at Emory, Archibishop Tutu suggested that rather than merely critique the South African TRC, African Americans spearhead efforts to create their own TRCs.  Check out the Greenboro TRC's report at www.greensborotrc.org.  Also check out the website of Southern Truth & Reconciliation (STAR) at www.southerntruth.org. 

   My book On the Courthouse Lawn:  Confronting the Legacy of Lynching in the 21st Century will be available from Beacon Books in February 2006 and offers more analysis of the contemporary effects of lynching on blacks and whites in commmunities where lynchings occurred, and the need for a TRC process to address that violent history.  

 

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Desmond Dekker (1942-2006)Buju Banton, Inna Heights album cover

As you may know, Desmond Dekker, perhaps best know for "The Israelites," died last week. His death invites us to think about the current status of reggae music. I grew up listening to Dekker, Gregory Isacs, John Holt, Dennis Brown, among others, and one wonders whether their brand of reggae--roots/consciousness reggae and early lovers rock--is dead. Yesterday I attended UCLA's annual reggae festival and the main artist was Buju Banton.  Recall that in 1992 a controversy emerged--first in England, but it quickly traveled to the United States--about the following lyrics to his song, Boom Bye Bye: "The world is in trouble/ Anytime Buju Banton come/Batty Boy get up and run/ah gunshot in ah head man/Tell dem crew… it’s like/Boom bye bye, in a batty boy head/Rude Boy nah promote no nasty man, them hafi dead." Replace "batty boy" with "gay man" and you get a sense as to what all the controversy was about.  No one protested his presence at UCLA, and he did not sing "Boom Bye Bye." In fact, his songs were all very much in the tradition of roots/consciousness, not terribly unlike the work of Dekker. As I listened, I could not help but wonder whether that one song may have overdetermined how we think about him. But perhaps not. He has never repudiated the lyrics. Indeed, he still performs the song, and he has even invoked Rastafarianism to legitimize its content. In this respect I should add that when Banton was criticized for making a song that seemed to express a preference for light-skinned black women, he quickly released another song which explicitly embraced the dark-skinned black female aesthetic. He has performed no such post Boom Bye Bye move. I don't want  to romanticize the reggae past or be overly critical of the reggae present; reggae has never been a monolithic art form--in lyrics or form. Still, it would be nice to hear more lyrics of the following sort: "Get up in the morning slaving for bread sir/ So that every mouth can be fed/Poor, poor me, Israelites." Desmond Dekker died of a heart attack. He was only 64, and was apparently preparing for a world music festival in Prague. He will certainly be missed.

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Dancehall artists discuss a number of issues with violent terms making reference to a lyrical gun as explained by an expert on the subject Dr. Carolyn Cooper a professor at the University of the West Indies. Artists discuss issues from sex to lyrical competitions violently. They talk about "killing" competitors, their sexual partners in their songs, informers, and homosexuals. However, these lyrics are merely allegories. Similar to the one Bob Marley used in his song "I Shot the Sheriff". Dancehall artists like Buju Banton, and Sizzla are following in the footsteps of Bob Marley. They uplift the people with their music and encourage them to fight to improve the system. 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   To be specific, over the last four decades when the topic of Black-Latino relations has been broached, the discourse has often centered on just a few primary issues.  These issues have repeatedly been: African-American fears of being displaced in the labor market by Latinos, African-American disenchantment with having the benefits of the civil rights movement extended to Latinos, African-American concern with the increased immigration of Latinos, African-American discontent with the growth of Spanish language usage in the United States, and African-American concern with the fear that bilingual education services divert resources from under-financed public schools in African-American areas.  Similarly, discussions about the demographic explosion of Latinos and their desire to assume greater political clout has focused upon the presumed obstructionism and discontent of African-Americans who must “relinquish” their power to accommodate Latinos.   
   Absent from this list of favorite themes in the public discourse in the English and Spanish language media regarding the challenges to organizing Black-Latino coalitions, is any discussion of Latino agency.  In fact, one is left with the simplistic impression that Latinos are the parties extending their friendship in solidarity, only to be consistently rebuffed by African-Americans.  Black-Latino political turf wars in Dallas, Texas over the selection of a school superintendent in 1997, in Miami, Florida, over the 1996 mayoral election, and in Chicago, Illinois over the allocation of public housing units in 1994, have all been depicted as zero sum struggles to gain Latino political power by wrenching it away from the begrudging hands of African-Americans.  Yet upon closer examination, the reality is much more complex and reveals Latinos to be agents of bias and racism themselves. (See Palgrave Macmillan press 2005 book “Neither Enemies Nor Friends: Latinos, Blacks, Afro-Latinos”).
   The sociological concept of “social distance” measures the social unease one ethnic or racial group has for interacting with another ethnic or racial group.  Social science studies of Latino racial attitudes often indicate a preference for maintaining social distance from African-Americans.  And while the social distance level is largest for recent Latin American immigrants, more established communities of Latinos in the United States are also characterized by their social distance from African-Americans.  For instance, in a 2002 survey of  Latinos and African-Americans, the African-Americans had more positive views of Latinos than vice versa (See “Black-Brown Relations and Stereotypes,” by Tatcho Mindiola, Jr., et al. UT press 2002).    This same study found that 46 percent of Latino immigrants who live in residential neighborhoods with African-Americans report almost no interaction with them whatsoever.  The social distance of Latinos from African-Americans is consistently reflected in Latino responses to other surveys.
   Similarly, in a 1993 study of inter-group relations, Latinos overwhelming responded that they had most in common with Whites and least in common with African-Americans (The National Conference Survey on Inter-Group Relations).  In contrast, African-Americans responded that they felt they had more in common with Latinos and least in common with Whites and Asian Americans.  It is somewhat ironic that African-Americans who are publicly depicted as being adverse to coalition building with Latinos, demonstrate survey responses that are more in accord with all the socioeconomic data that demonstrates the commonality of African-American and Latino communities.  While Latinos, in contradistinction provide survey responses that fly in the face of all the socioeconomic data demonstrating African-American and Latino parallels.  The Latino affinity for Whites over African-Americans is part and parcel of the Latino identification with whiteness.  (See BlackProf entry of May 3, 2006, “Is There Racism in Latin America and What Does That Mean for Race Relations in the United States?”).  Indeed, in contrast to the many reports of a Latino preference for mixed-race census racial categories, there is a strong Latino preference for the White racial category and some Latino groups like Cubans disproportionately select the White racial category (See “Bleach in the Rainbow: Latin Ethnicity and the Preference for Whiteness” by William A. Darity, Jr., et al., at http://www.cpc.unc.edu/people/cv/darity.pdf).
   In short, the public discourse about relations between African-Americans and Latinos is problematic because it over-simplistic and factually skewed.  The changing demographics of the nation requires that we expand the analysis of racism to include considerations of how groups of color can be complicit and even active agents in the discrimination against other groups of color.  But to be a useful tool against discrimination, the examination of racism amongst groups of color cannot be unidirectional and focused on just one group.  
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Because it's a big pile of steaming crap! LOL! (I'm getting a kick out of calling it that). But seriously, everyone knows that Latinos can express anti-black racism and that black folks can be anti-immigrant or even anti-black for that matter too. So what? What does Vaca's book say that is new to that? We live in a society which is organized along racial lines, so it's no big surprise that many people continue to perform and invest in racial divisions. The problem with Vaca's book are the presuppositions he is working from, so critiquing the content of his book would be insufficient... A 2004 PEW report stated that: "81% of Puerto Ricans living in the island commonwealth identified themselves as white in the 2000 Census, while 46% of those living on the U.S. mainland did so." I dunno, if anyone reading this has been to Puerto Rico then they know that there is no way that 81% of Puerto Ricans would pass as white in the US mainland. So clearly there is a more complex issue at hand when people from the south migrate to the north and enter a different racial hierarchy. While they may as first generation migrants identify as white, their kids likely won't, hence the more successful coalitions amongst younger folks. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Jo EMAIL: lsdpout@yahoo.com IP: 24.98.147.199 URL: DATE: 05/31/2006 11:52:18 PM While whites debate immigration in Congress and on the airwaves, out on the street it is the black gangs that are robbing latinos of their cash. When the latino is looking for a safe neighborhood, will he look for white faces or black ones? Latinos feel safer around whites than blacks because blacks, not whites, are the ones victimizing latinos. If you want to win latino votes to black causes, call off your gold-clad ghetto dogs. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Black Realist EMAIL: IP: 67.82.27.164 URL: DATE: 06/01/2006 01:14:00 AM Jo, The stupidity and lack of documentation in your posts never cease to amaze me. Do hate crime statistics reveal higher instances of black on latino violence than vice versa? What exactly is the factual basis for your comments, save for your consistent anti-blackness? ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: ringtones free EMAIL: jnbnwck@search.com IP: 211.162.0.131 URL: http://www.ringtones-dir.com DATE: 08/01/2006 05:54:40 PM http://www.ringtones-dir.com/get/ ringtones site free. ringtones site, Free nokia ringtones here, Download ringtones FREE. From website . ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Pinche~Gabacho EMAIL: IP: 68.80.64.238 URL: DATE: 08/14/2006 07:35:48 AM I can't speak for the entire United States, but only what I've personally seen in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania and southeastern Texas. Jo has stated, “Hispanics feel safer around whites than blacks.” I have heard this a lot from Hispanics. I’ve also noticed that Hispanics openly tell me that they don’t like blacks. At first, I thought it was because I’m European white and the Hispanics were seeking approval by stating this. I then moved to Texas and had similar experiences. Hispanics frequently had no problem with my being white and accepting me into their circles. I know they accepted me because after a period of time white racist comments would be used in our group conversations. Many times a Hispanic would say, “white people all do blank, white people are all blank,” and then one would look at me and say, “right?” Then they would again remember that I am white, look uncomfortable, and laugh if I agreed and added to their statements. While Hispanics frequently invited me into their cultural circles, I’ve never seen them do this with blacks. The ones that took me completely off guard were the black Hispanics. I don’t think that I’ll ever forget the first time a black Hispanic from the Dominican Republic told me how he didn’t like blacks from the United States because of how they treated him. I’ve seen black Americans call black Hispanics “dirty spics” quite frequently. After spending about a year in Texas, I went to Mexico for three months with a friend that I was working with. I came back to the United States alone, but quickly made friends with a couple of Mexicans on the bus to the border. I can speak, read, and write Spanish and it takes me a long way. Also knowing a lot about different Hispanic cultures and history really gives me “ins” that non-Hispanics will never enjoy. After eating with several Mexicans at the bus station in Dallas, Texas, we went to the restroom. There we encountered a lone black man. One Mexican looked at me and told me in Spanish how he hates blacks in the USA. Then another stated he felt the same and so on until all of them said something derogatory about blacks. The black man looked over at us, probably curious to hear a 6’3” white boy with green eyes and golden brown hair speaking Spanish with a Mexican accent. The Mexicans asked him rudely “what he was looking at.” I didn’t understand why all of the Mexicans I was meeting didn’t like blacks. Considering that I had assumed that most Mexicans had little dealings with blacks I asked them what their problems with black were. One said that when he first came to this country he was robbed by a bunch of black men. Another told me how his uncle came to this country and was robbed by black men as soon as he arrived. Nearly all of them had similar stories. In Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, the Mexicans never go out drinking alone because they know that the blacks will rob them. The point Jo has made is valid from my experiences. I’ve had blacks call me all sorts of names because they thought I was Hispanic due to my abilities to speak Spanish and dance to their music. I’m not saying that all blacks treat Hispanics this way, but it’s obvious to me that Hispanics receive worse treatment from blacks than they do from whites. There are also a lot of other differences between white to Hispanic mixing and Hispanic to black mixing. Hispanics have never historically received the treatment from whites that blacks have. In western states Hispanics were integrated with whites decades before the 1960s. During WWII Hispanics were integrated into white fighting units including prestigious positions such as pilots, something that never happened to blacks. Hispanics face less obstacles integrating into white culture then blacks do for various reasons including race. Moreover the reverse is true of whites mixing with Hispanics versus blacks mixing with Hispanics. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: African American EMAIL: IP: 24.15.51.200 URL: DATE: 09/11/2006 12:14:14 PM I want to say As An African American it seems to me that everyone wants to put the blame on black people I live in Chicago there are so many Latino gangs that do the same thing as black gangs. It makes me sick to see that latinos want to be white so bad that they dont even respect there own culture Mexicans and other latinos speak spanish because they were invaded by spain if you ask them about there Indian ancestor they dont have a clue. There are more latino gangs in the U.S. than any other race and they commit just as many crimes but people want to blame African Americans Alot of it has to do with T.V. because if there are no African Americans in Mexico then how can you hate us and if it wasent for us in the 6Os nobody that is black or brown would be over here and dont forget it. Latinos want to call us bad what about all the crime in Mexico people get killed over there all the time which is Mexican on Mexican crime and in Guatamala the MS-13 gang mexicans and other latinos want to be white so bad theyll do and say anything to fit in. thats because they have no respect for them selves or there background. During the March all the Latinos wanted African Americans to help them but I say no because they wont march with us and now they dont know what to do because there beloved white man wants them out of the country and they say black people rob them well what about the Zoot Suit Riots when wold warII navy officers raped Mexican women and beat the mexican men up in the middle of the street for a decade but black people are bad if You don like African Americans then stay in your country and fix it up instead of running from the problem and comming over her to creat more problems. And you say they dont like American Blacks well what if A black cuban and a Black dominican have a baby in America isnt that baby an American black??? I believe in total segregation each race should live and be with the person of that race that would get rid of all the problems and to hate American Blacks is also hating the American culture yes we invented Blues, Jazz, Rock-n-roll, gospel, funk, disco, and hip hop, and reggaton is nothing but waterd down Jamacian ragge Majority of the latin music comes from the sounds and the rythems of the African Slaves that were brought to latin american so before you say were the problem look at your self and if white people like you so much better than us then why are they tryin to send you back. If white people keep us fighting with each other then they will forever be on top an African Americans know the white mans game thats why they try so hard to make American blacks look bad They got latinos in check because you wanna be white you'll believe anythig and fallow the white man to Hell and back eventhough they came to your country and made you speak spanish and a gave you a white God to Pray to. LEARN YOUR HISTORY ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: IP: 199.97.121.99 URL: DATE: 09/23/2006 02:14:43 PM Some people here should the reviews as published on Amazon.com re: Vacas' book, pretty interesting perspectives. Within the Hispanic population there is a lot of diversity and equal hatred amongst themselves. Place a Dominican in a Mexican club and see what hell breaks loose or a Puerto Rican in a Dominican club. Hispanics do not have the long history of racism or discrimination that Black have. Will some one show me a picture of Latinos swinging from a rope a.k.a lynching? ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Pikki EMAIL: IP: 199.97.121.99 URL: DATE: 09/23/2006 02:15:20 PM Some people here should the reviews as published on Amazon.com re: Vacas' book, pretty interesting perspectives. Within the Hispanic population there is a lot of diversity and equal hatred amongst themselves. Place a Dominican in a Mexican club and see what hell breaks loose or a Puerto Rican in a Dominican club. Hispanics do not have the long history of racism or discrimination that Black have. Will some one show me a picture of Latinos swinging from a rope a.k.a lynching? ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: African American EMAIL: IP: 24.15.51.200 URL: DATE: 09/23/2006 05:49:09 PM Agin theres another example of a latino not knowing ther history Blacks in latin american were lynched first if you READ like i said if you READ the william lynch letters it will tell you that. Slavery in latin American was really bad because thats where they would take the salves first to break them in. Black latinos or mixed latinos meaning indian/african or spain/afrcian are so dumb and forgive me for saying this but they hold on to spain so much its crazy and you are the majority in most latin countries and yet the small population of whites control you whats the problem Iam African American and iam light brown Ive met many latinos darker than me example cubans, dominicans, puertoricans,columbians,and they are darker than me and sware up and down that there anccestors come from spain and to my knowledge spain is in europe so they are european which is where satin landed when God kicked him out of heven think about that one........ Well like the say you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink or in other words you can lead latinos to freedom but they have to want to be free. And one more thing America is of mixed heritage Indian/African/European whats the difference we speak english you speak spanish same concept different Cultures....... ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: frazerti@hotmail.com IP: 64.131.184.204 URL: DATE: 10/02/2006 04:08:49 PM ok, I have to agree, you really need to look up your history because it is a known fact that africans speak spanish in the canary Islands in africa why? you say, because spain had invaded that part of africa and the main language there is spanish. The portugese had invaded yet another african land cape verde and part of that land is mostly portugese. why do some dominicans speak creole? mind you there are many pidgins of creole, but the creole that the dominicans speak is that of african and portugese instead of african french which the haitians speak. In my family that I am married into they are from costa rica but their parents are from jamaica people who are from jamaica or any other afro west indian islands had moved to other places such as honduras, guatamala, brazil, cuba, dominican republic, puertorico, mexico,ecuador, and let me not forget panama. all of whom now today speak full fledged spanish when you hear them you cannot tell the difference. A friend of mine whom I went to school with spoke fluent spanish I did not know that she was armenian, so I said so you are hispanic? then she said yes I am hispanic because I was born and raised in argentina but I am not latina because my family is from armenia and we are armenian. so now do you see the difference between being hisapnic and being latin. see here in new york city where I live is mostly latin or hispanic to many times I get mistooken for a latina and so many times I here most latin people say they don't like black people as if you think white people are going to except you as their own. yet you say black people commit crimes well heres food for thought when a hispanic man commits a crime they don't only say a black man committed a crime but they say a black hispanic committed the crime meaning he is black of hispanic descent what you all need to do is look up your hispanic history and then learn about the slave trade because when they enslaved the african peoples they took them to many islands like D.R. and others also rosie perez did a documentary on the puerto rican history and you will be amazed. stop look and open your eyes stop putting the blame on black people as if we create the problems. like someone had commented earlier that it is just the media and stereotypes. would it be right to say that hispanics are dirty, they don't wash their hands when it comes to food, or they are always in gangs like you see in california. you see all of that is the media sterotyping all mexicans dominicans and puerto ricans and does that make it right? so what you got robbed by a few black people does that make all black people robbers? so what my friend got raped by a hispanic or to many drug rings are out here ran by hispanics does that mean all hispanics are drug dealers? does that mean all hispanics are rapist? well while all of you are so hung up on getting white people to except you as their own or denying your true heritage the white people who make the movies are the ones stereotyping your race so you are being played while so many hispanic actors are being type cast for gang members it is because that is what america sees like in the movie shaft which was shot a couple of blocks from me, the actor jeffery wright who is a black man was able to play a hispanic drug lord why? because that is what america thinks of the latin race. yes latin people can make all the movies they want to about who they are, but the only people who are going to see it are hispanics, white people aren't going to see your movies black people aren't going to see your movies, yet there is an exception of some hispanic actors. and you want to be white when the they are doing everything they can to ship your ass back to where ever you came from or when you get hired at certain places that black people can't get hired at make no mistake you don't have the upper hand of blacks the reason why white people hire hispanics in the first place is because they can give them lower wages for highpaying jobs they know that they can't do that with blacks why? because we know the system you see our ancestors were brought here to america centeries ago we have no more family migrating to america but the hispanics do and so those who don't know the system have yet to learn. the other day there was a stry on two 13yrold american girls for white pride they are separatist they belive in hitler and they are for the KKK and the reporter asked them what is this game that you play on your game system mind you it had the nazi sign so the girls said well you have to kill all the blacks and hispanics to remain everything white so do you see what white supremacist think of you if you think for one min that you relate to white people try eating at the same table with a white supremacist or even getting a white supremacists opinion I bet they would most likley spit in your face your music so called reggaeton is a fake version of reggae your merengue does not sound any different to soca or calypso bachata the same thing so get it right everything that the hispanics created blacks created first. your rice and beans similar to rice and black eyed peas, get it right. now a little about me I am what you call a mut I am black, white, and native american, with oriental ancestry but what I fill out on the job applications is african american, because that is what you see, I don't go around telling people that I'm this that and the third, it is what you see on the outside, and I don't try to get approval from other races I know who I am and its such ashame that you don't I know my heritage and whom I sprang forth its such ashame that you don't, so before you say anything about black people try to back it up with evidence first, you know, true facts and also look up latino ancestry, the slave trade, music in latin america, before you go commenting. I know more about latino ancestry than you do and I can go on for days schooling you about your self so please come correct and get it right. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: frazerti@hotmail.com IP: 64.131.184.204 URL: DATE: 10/02/2006 04:09:40 PM ok, I have to agree, you really need to look up your history because it is a known fact that africans speak spanish in the canary Islands in africa why? you say, because spain had invaded that part of africa and the main language there is spanish. The portugese had invaded yet another african land cape verde and part of that land is mostly portugese. why do some dominicans speak creole? mind you there are many pidgins of creole, but the creole that the dominicans speak is that of african and portugese instead of african french which the haitians speak. In my family that I am married into they are from costa rica but their parents are from jamaica people who are from jamaica or any other afro west indian islands had moved to other places such as honduras, guatamala, brazil, cuba, dominican republic, puertorico, mexico,ecuador, and let me not forget panama. all of whom now today speak full fledged spanish when you hear them you cannot tell the difference. A friend of mine whom I went to school with spoke fluent spanish I did not know that she was armenian, so I said so you are hispanic? then she said yes I am hispanic because I was born and raised in argentina but I am not latina because my family is from armenia and we are armenian. so now do you see the difference between being hisapnic and being latin. see here in new york city where I live is mostly latin or hispanic to many times I get mistooken for a latina and so many times I here most latin people say they don't like black people as if you think white people are going to except you as their own. yet you say black people commit crimes well heres food for thought when a hispanic man commits a crime they don't only say a black man committed a crime but they say a black hispanic committed the crime meaning he is black of hispanic descent what you all need to do is look up your hispanic history and then learn about the slave trade because when they enslaved the african peoples they took them to many islands like D.R. and others also rosie perez did a documentary on the puerto rican history and you will be amazed. stop look and open your eyes stop putting the blame on black people as if we create the problems. like someone had commented earlier that it is just the media and stereotypes. would it be right to say that hispanics are dirty, they don't wash their hands when it comes to food, or they are always in gangs like you see in california. you see all of that is the media sterotyping all mexicans dominicans and puerto ricans and does that make it right? so what you got robbed by a few black people does that make all black people robbers? so what my friend got raped by a hispanic or to many drug rings are out here ran by hispanics does that mean all hispanics are drug dealers? does that mean all hispanics are rapist? well while all of you are so hung up on getting white people to except you as their own or denying your true heritage the white people who make the movies are the ones stereotyping your race so you are being played while so many hispanic actors are being type cast for gang members it is because that is what america sees like in the movie shaft which was shot a couple of blocks from me, the actor jeffery wright who is a black man was able to play a hispanic drug lord why? because that is what america thinks of the latin race. yes latin people can make all the movies they want to about who they are, but the only people who are going to see it are hispanics, white people aren't going to see your movies black people aren't going to see your movies, yet there is an exception of some hispanic actors. and you want to be white when the they are doing everything they can to ship your ass back to where ever you came from or when you get hired at certain places that black people can't get hired at make no mistake you don't have the upper hand of blacks the reason why white people hire hispanics in the first place is because they can give them lower wages for highpaying jobs they know that they can't do that with blacks why? because we know the system you see our ancestors were brought here to america centeries ago we have no more family migrating to america but the hispanics do and so those who don't know the system have yet to learn. the other day there was a stry on two 13yrold american girls for white pride they are separatist they belive in hitler and they are for the KKK and the reporter asked them what is this game that you play on your game system mind you it had the nazi sign so the girls said well you have to kill all the blacks and hispanics to remain everything white so do you see what white supremacist think of you if you think for one min that you relate to white people try eating at the same table with a white supremacist or even getting a white supremacists opinion I bet they would most likley spit in your face your music so called reggaeton is a fake version of reggae your merengue does not sound any different to soca or calypso bachata the same thing so get it right everything that the hispanics created blacks created first. your rice and beans similar to rice and black eyed peas, get it right. now a little about me I am what you call a mut I am black, white, and native american, with oriental ancestry but what I fill out on the job applications is african american, because that is what you see, I don't go around telling people that I'm this that and the third, it is what you see on the outside, and I don't try to get approval from other races I know who I am and its such ashame that you don't I know my heritage and whom I sprang forth its such ashame that you don't, so before you say anything about black people try to back it up with evidence first, you know, true facts and also look up latino ancestry, the slave trade, music in latin america, before you go commenting. I know more about latino ancestry than you do and I can go on for days schooling you about your self so please come correct and get it right. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: frazerti@hotmail.com IP: 64.131.184.204 URL: DATE: 10/02/2006 05:09:26 PM http://www.jlhs.nhusd.k12.ca.us/Classes/Social_Science/Latin_America/Slavery.html a little food for thought open your eyes ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: c2 EMAIL: c2econ@gmail.com IP: 63.250.228.229 URL: DATE: 10/05/2006 09:41:09 PM Can someone explain to me one thing: how is it that 3 little black girls in a church studying the bible can get killed and the people responsible are not brought to justice 'til 40 years later while a hispanic (white) woman who is ILLEGAL in this country can hide in a church, is considered a hero by many and remains untouched by the authorities? I believe it's because of what's happening everywhere, everyday; if you're black you don't matter and everyone else does. The hispanics that immigrate here (legally and otherwise) know this. They cling on to "big daddy white boy" for protection while the blacks are relegated to the role of underclass. After all that blacks have been through in this country and for this country, we're tired of it. One more for you: how is it that the City of Chicago celebrates all the major ethnicities with a parade and festivities EXCEPT AFRICAN AMERICANS. Think about it. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: EMAIL: frazerti@hotmail.com IP: 64.131.184.204 URL: DATE: 10/08/2006 10:14:47 AM if latinos knew more about their history and white latinos too then maybe they would stop clinging on to big daddy white boy and stop turning up their noses at black people thinking they were better. indeed we know that they are not and the only reason why certain places don't want to celebrate african american culture is because the government feels as if they paid their debt to black society and thats all there is, but remember there is martin luther king day, there is malcom x, there is also black history month even though it is only one month understand latino heritage is one month and white history is 12mos of the year you think that the government cares about hispanics as a whole if so then why are latinos so desparately fighting for their right to stay in america. if you have seen the news and conservative jim gilchrist had visited columbia university he runs the minute men group and his statement towards latino immigrants caused a riot so people are trying hard to get them out not only that some of them would abhor the fact thatof spanish becomming a second language next to english. the reason why the government may be nice to hispanics because they know that they are the ones who will deny their african ancestry and claim to be white as dark as some may be they swear it up and down and who laughs at them the white politicians the media the news anchors why because they write stories on how latinos want to be white so bad and you know what I laugh at them too. another reason why african american culture won't be celebrated because african americans aren't just a direct link to africa as many of you know that when we fill out job applications our status is filled out african american but some of us or half african american or what they call us quadroons which is 1/4 african we have so much culture in us and that if you really think about it latino history comes from africa the music the dances everything even indian history dn't you know that is why they call africa the mother land. only if people knew their history thenthis would not be a discussion at all wouldn't you agree if latinos which in america are the most ignorant people knew then they would stop being ignorant there are even black people who don't want to think about their own history america was built on slavery the blacks introduced foods that are now classified as true american southern comforts they say that africa did not contribute anything we all know thats a damn lie they made the metric system. being black is agift to most and its a curse to some anywhere you see dark skin or curly hair their is africa what does it mean to be white italian even they have african ancestry germans polish icelandic those are the ones who are true white people so stop trying to make yourself out to be this white person if you are so white why do you live in ghettos how come you are not in the suberbs why do you fight for your rights how come your not inherited or rich or respected in society. clearly white people don't need to fight for their rights and white people are in the suberbs and white people are usually respected in society and have been inherited fortunes how come your child is not getting the best education how come your child does not go to private schools with the rest of the white kids hey how come the government chooses to give latinos low wages for high paying jobs that black or whites get or how come most of the latinos are on welfare while there are black people on welfare it is a growing trend that black people are moving on up in some areas its messed up the way society is and it is messed up that latinos try so hard to be white it so messed up when the spaniards brung the slaves to mexico and domican republic they raped the african women there and so there they had their children wich they were allowed to keep theyhad to adapt to the language thereand thatis how they lived even haiti and brasil and other islands so there a little history for the mind hope you like it and the reason why you don't see african american parades is because no one awho is african american has decided to do it the only reason why you see latino parades or indian parades is because of the latino or indian people they set up a group or a program they take it to the government to get it legal and then they set up their day for a parade if latinos didn't do this then the government won't do it I think its called hispanic council or something like that but the government has nothing to do with that they just give them permission to have parades when a group of african americans step up and decide to have a parade then it will be done ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: luis EMAIL: IP: 204.108.65.10 URL: DATE: 10/23/2006 01:15:21 PM hey foos, all i know is that we latinos are planing something big most of us hate blacks but not me i hate all the fucken wite "gringos"...stuped fagets and their will be masacher that it will be published in evry book!!! kill all the white "gringos"!!!! ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: African American EMAIL: IP: 24.15.51.200 URL: DATE: 10/24/2006 09:24:53 AM If most latinos hate blacks then stop using our African rythems and go back to your country... And I will be voting this election and if what ever your planning envolves African Americans,Jamacians,Hatians,Africans, and Negro Latinos yes i did say Negro latinos who are going to turn on you wait till after the election you'll see that negro latinos are getting ready to join the National Black cacus. White latinos and mexicans i say bring it cause all black people no matter where there from are willing to fight till the death.......... NO TO IMMIGRATION ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Vinny EMAIL: IP: 216.255.113.5 URL: DATE: 10/26/2006 07:13:18 PM I'm an African American male living in the city of New York (consisting of 8.1 million habitants) in the borough of the Bronx. It has 1.3 million habitants with Latinos and Blacks being the majority there. Due to the fact that these major racial groups live in the same neighborhood there is more racial tension among Dominicans, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans then they are with Blacks and Latinos in general. I've never received any severe racism towards me in the Bronx. Although racism exists in New York I can assure you that many Latin American youths are following what the majority of Black youths do. This includes listening to rap/R&B, baggy clothing, the "ebonics" (meaning slang) as well as hatred towards White Americans. And yes where I live many Hispanics (whether White, Black or Mixed) with the exception of some do not like the Caucasians and often side with the Blacks even though some of them do not like us. It's due to the fact that many of them suffered the same racism that Blacks frequently experience even if they are a White Hispanic. The exception of this is that many Black Americans hold higher paying jobs and live in upscale Black neighborhoods. I've also seen that many Puerto Ricans are also getting higher salaries that their fellow Latino counterparts do not receive due to their national status of eith being either a legal or illegal alien and many of them do not speak English. It is much easier for Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico to receive bilingual education and move to the mainland of the United States than any other Hispanic. I believe that Dominicans are following the steps of Puerto Ricans by opening up businesses and investing their money to better their community and I commend them on that. And honestly, I feel sorry for most poor Mexicans because many of them cannot speak English and work relatively low wage jobs than the rest of their Latin American counterparts. But they do work hard. But the Latinos living here and have community leaders aren't helping the Mexicans and I think that is dead wrong. You vote these politicians in and they cannot help them receive an education to better their lives and their families. This shows you that we are not living in a true democracy. Anyway I have not received severe racism toward me from any Latin American because many assume that I'm a Black Hispanic. I speak a little bit of Spanish though. I am one third Hispanic, one third Jamaican and one third Black American. My hair is wavy but not nappy and I do not talk the "hip hop" slang that many African American youths use. However on my job I spoke to a Mexican in a very professional manner while he was talking "Black" to me with his baggy clothing and accused me of talking "White." That shows you that they can act just like the lower-classed Black Americans at times. I often extricate myself from associating with low class Black people and lean more towards Hispanics and the better-educated African American. Whenever I enter a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood (particularly Washington Heights and Williamsburg in Brooklyn) the people are always friendly (with the exception of a few who do not like dark-skinned people) and I somewhat diasgree with the statement that Latinos do not accept Blacks. I do believe that their view of us is neutral (50/50) and are a little bit more accepting of Blacks (70%) than White Americans (40%). And yes, African Americans can be racists also. Living in an integrated neighborhood taught me that there is hatred among Hispanic groups as I stated above. Mexicans hate Dominicans, Dominicans hate Puerto Ricans and vise versa. While attending public school there were usual fights among Puerto Ricans and Dominicans for unusual reasons. Most Dominicans have told me degrading stuff about Puerto Ricans and likewise. And as far as them hating Blacks, I feel that the most of the older generation Hispanics are not to keen on us especially the ones who are not educated. The younger generation (age 35 and under) recognize their heritage and background. They also despise ignorant behavior including racism. Come to New York and you'll find out. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Vinny EMAIL: IP: 216.255.113.5 URL: DATE: 10/26/2006 07:13:57 PM I'm an African American male living in the city of New York (consisting of 8.1 million habitants) in the borough of the Bronx. It has 1.3 million habitants with Latinos and Blacks being the majority there. Due to the fact that these major racial groups live in the same neighborhood there is more racial tension among Dominicans, Mexicans and Puerto Ricans then they are with Blacks and Latinos in general. I've never received any severe racism towards me in the Bronx. Although racism exists in New York I can assure you that many Latin American youths are following what the majority of Black youths do. This includes listening to rap/R&B, baggy clothing, the "ebonics" (meaning slang) as well as hatred towards White Americans. And yes where I live many Hispanics (whether White, Black or Mixed) with the exception of some do not like the Caucasians and often side with the Blacks even though some of them do not like us. It's due to the fact that many of them suffered the same racism that Blacks frequently experience even if they are a White Hispanic. The exception of this is that many Black Americans hold higher paying jobs and live in upscale Black neighborhoods. I've also seen that many Puerto Ricans are also getting higher salaries that their fellow Latino counterparts do not receive due to their national status of eith being either a legal or illegal alien and many of them do not speak English. It is much easier for Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico to receive bilingual education and move to the mainland of the United States than any other Hispanic. I believe that Dominicans are following the steps of Puerto Ricans by opening up businesses and investing their money to better their community and I commend them on that. And honestly, I feel sorry for most poor Mexicans because many of them cannot speak English and work relatively low wage jobs than the rest of their Latin American counterparts. But they do work hard. But the Latinos living here and have community leaders aren't helping the Mexicans and I think that is dead wrong. You vote these politicians in and they cannot help them receive an education to better their lives and their families. This shows you that we are not living in a true democracy. Anyway I have not received severe racism toward me from any Latin American because many assume that I'm a Black Hispanic. I speak a little bit of Spanish though. I am one third Hispanic, one third Jamaican and one third Black American. My hair is wavy but not nappy and I do not talk the "hip hop" slang that many African American youths use. However on my job I spoke to a Mexican in a very professional manner while he was talking "Black" to me with his baggy clothing and accused me of talking "White." That shows you that they can act just like the lower-classed Black Americans at times. I often extricate myself from associating with low class Black people and lean more towards Hispanics and the better-educated African American. Whenever I enter a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood (particularly Washington Heights and Williamsburg in Brooklyn) the people are always friendly (with the exception of a few who do not like dark-skinned people) and I somewhat diasgree with the statement that Latinos do not accept Blacks. I do believe that their view of us is neutral (50/50) and are a little bit more accepting of Blacks (70%) than White Americans (40%). And yes, African Americans can be racists also. Living in an integrated neighborhood taught me that there is hatred among Hispanic groups as I stated above. Mexicans hate Dominicans, Dominicans hate Puerto Ricans and vise versa. While attending public school there were usual fights among Puerto Ricans and Dominicans for unusual reasons. Most Dominicans have told me degrading stuff about Puerto Ricans and likewise. And as far as them hating Blacks, I feel that the most of the older generation Hispanics are not to keen on us especially the ones who are not educated. The younger generation (age 35 and under) recognize their heritage and background. They also despise ignorant behavior including racism. Come to New York and you'll find out. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: African American EMAIL: IP: 24.15.51.200 URL: DATE: 10/27/2006 02:06:17 PM Man whats with this one third this and one third that? Man your black. You talk about how you dont socialize with lower class African Americans sounds stupid. But you'll go socialize with poor latinos. Wake up you probably dont even like yourself thats why you have to hang with other races to get some type of selfconfidence. You dont even know your history talkin about one third this and one third that if a black person was born in america and another in cuba they are still black the only difference is there culture. Now i beleive that its good to experince other cultures but use that knowledge to make your race better and realize that Negro latinos are the last people you wanna talk to when it comes to black pried because theirs lies with spain. And you made a comment on nappy hair and wavy hair get over it the white man told you your hair was nappy and you believed him i thought you were educated???? And in latin america the white latinos do the same thing as the white man does over here which is oppress the Black and brown.... So like i said wake up learn your history and you'll be better off. And another thing there is no such thing as proper english because it was started by the english everyone in america speakes slang white people have tricked you what makes there speach so correct because they told you? Now do what you have to do inorder to get a job play the game but when Iam off i talk how i want LET THE WHITE MANS NUTS GO.... ----- -------- AUTHOR: soverton TITLE: Memorial Day and the Complexities of Black Patriotism STATUS: Publish ALLOW COMMENTS: 0 CONVERT BREAKS: tinymce ALLOW PINGS: 1 PRIMARY CATEGORY: history CATEGORY: history DATE: 05/29/2006 05:18:00 PM ----- BODY:

 

Provost Guard, 107th Colored Infantry, U.S. (Civil War) 

In light of Memorial Day, please find links to Black Troops in the American Revolutionary War, Black Troops in the Civil War (here and here), the Tuskegee Airmen, and a book entitled “Bloods” that focuses on the oral history of the Vietnam War by Black Veterans.

Black folk have a complex relationship with patriotism.  I’ve always been somewhat suspicious of flag-wavers, but in the last couple of years I’ll have to admit that my relationship to patriotism has evolved.  First, my cousin Larry gave me the military flag from the funeral of my grandfather's brother, Uncle Harry.  Second, by visiting Gettysburg and the White House of the Confederacy, and researching and writing about the Civil War and Reconstruction in my new book Stealing Democracy, I’ve come to appreciate some of the more noble values embraced by the Union during the Civil War (I also appreciate that many were not noble--which contributes to the complexity of the patriotism of Black folk).  Third, I invest much of my time into working to protect and expand voting rights in the United States.  These three factors have brought me to the conclusion that I’ve got as much right as most to articulate the normative values to which America should aspire.

So, even though my patriotism is complex and uniquely mine, I’ve given in.  On my Ipod, I’ve got seven different versions of the Battle Hymn of the Republic--The Abyssinian Baptist Church Choir, the Capitol Symphony, Joan Baez, Judy Garland, the L.A. Mass Choir, Leontyne Price, and Matt Glaser (I'm a little embarrassed by this--it makes me look like a zealot--but I find the different interpretations of the song fascinating--certainly worth $7 on I-Tunes).  I also used red, white, and blue to adorn the cover of my first book Stealing Democracy, as well as the website for my dissent from the Carter-Baker Commission on Federal Election Reform Report. 

Perhaps I’m attempting to rationalize my own “selling out” or “buying into the existing power structure” by asserting that my patriotism is layered, but I cannot deny that I’ve started to engage and grapple with my understanding of my personal relationship with this nation in the last couple of years.         

 

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EMAIL: IP: 165.124.75.174 URL: DATE: 05/30/2006 01:28:57 PM Perhaps I am an apologist as well, but my fondness for "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" stems in no small part from King's use of it at several different points during the Civil Rights Movement. Lest we forget, "Lift Every Voice ans Sing" was written in tribute to the birthday of Abraham Lincoln -- and that last line "true to our God, true to our native land," is pregant with ambiguity (although I think the brothers Johnson meant this "native land"). The language of black patrotism becomes the ground of black protest throughout the history of blacks in America, as early as the withdrawal of British troops, blacks began to assert their rights in the language of citizenship in this grand experiment. To be black is always to be ambivalent, but ambivalence requires multi-directional tug. So a layered patriotism is about right. Would that it were catching. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Planet Mars EMAIL: IP: 169.231.35.80 URL: DATE: 05/30/2006 01:34:14 PM Patriotism is the ideological mechanism for getting people to believe that the administrative center of capital we call "the nation of the USA" is more then just that, an administrative center of capital. The relationship between the emergence of the "the nation" as a political construct and patriarchal, heteronormative, misogynist and racist thought has been well documented by women of color feminists. I guess in short, I cannot relate in any way to an "evolved patriotism" as the ghosts of those terrorized by the United States haunt me. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: prof2be EMAIL: IP: 84.227.79.223 URL: DATE: 05/30/2006 02:53:49 PM I read your post re patriotism. I thought I would convey my 2 cents. I've lived in Europe, and have had time to think about what it means to be American, and a minority American. One observation: As one might expect, America has few supporters in the world right now, and all the people I know from all over the globe have a negative view of the U.S. with one exception -- Africans. Africans (in particular Nigerians) are the only people I've met overseas who are enthusiastic supporters of America. And I am friendly with a few families who have flown the pregnant wives to America so that the baby would be a U.S. citizen. To me, that says a lot. I'm also comfortable in my conclusion that minorities like me would never have been allowed to go to the elite universities on the European continent. A close friend of mine here went to the most prestigious grande ecole in France, and he confirmed that even today a non-indigenous French person is extremely rare at the school. The social/institutional structure of European countries tells minorities (in so many ways, formal and informal) that they aren't real citizens (even though the minority populations are significant). Whatever problems America may have, one question is: Would your life be better anywhere else? For me, the answer is no. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Spencer EMAIL: IP: 69.251.241.128 URL: DATE: 05/30/2006 03:21:59 PM Prof2be: I'm uncomfortable with using other nations as the baseline. It suggests that African Americans do not have the right to aspire to equality in the U.S. because they would be treated poorly elsewhere (why do "house slaves" complain about their job because it is much worse to be a "field slave"). One who is mistreated is grateful that he or she is not mistreated more severely. The perspective seems to sanction tempered injustice. Further, while I don't support anti-immigrant hostility, African Americans are no more "non-indigenous" than most whites in the U.S., and perhaps less so recognizing the high percentage of intermarraige among blacks and American Indians. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: The Sanity Inspector EMAIL: synapsid@hotmail.com IP: 4.154.78.15 URL: http://atlantarofters.blogspot.com DATE: 05/31/2006 11:56:52 PM In a TV special on the history of the Soviet Union, a female Partisan was asked why she had fought for that monster, Stalin, during WWII. She responded, "It was the only home we had." Some readers might find this online version of this book from 1919 interesting: The American Negro In The World War. ----- COMMENT: AUTHOR: Calling card blog EMAIL: info@xcall.blogspot.com IP: 81.177.3.205 URL: http://xcall.blogspot.com/ DATE: 09/13/2006 02:11:27 PM Nice site! 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